Problem with Asus GF4 4800SE

[Morjo]

Hi there

Sometimes when I turn off my computer and then on again a min or so later it just hangs at the hardware detection screen, showing it has detected the CPU but it will not detect the ram it just hangs there, I can't even access the BIOS. If I leave the computer off for like a few hours I'm able to boot back up again fine.
This has only been happening since I updated to an ASUS GF4 4800SE, my old card was an ATI Radeon 32DDR LE. So I thought it would be something to do with the 4800SE, so when the problem occurs I put in my old ATI and no more problems it boots up fine.
I've tried resitting the 4800SE but that did not help.

Could this be a dodgy 4800SE?

My specs are:

AMD XP2400+
Soltek SL-75FRN2
Geil 512mb 3200 DDR
Asus GF4 Ti4800se
Seagate 7200 120gig HD
ThermalTake 420W PSU

Thanks for any help :)

[Kojiro]

Some video cards reqire a hard drive power dongle to work. At boot up the mobo bios loads the video card's bios, this is when it displays the video card on the screen during hardware detection. With out that power cord, the Thing will not load the BIOS off that card, thus freezing.

Because you came from a clasic Radeon, you may not be aware that some card expecialy Geforce 4 TI models need it's own power from the power supply.

[Morjo]

Hmm, ok the thing is it came with no extra power cord and I can't seem to find an extra power outlet on the card it's self. All there is, is a power outlet on the card that the GPU fan plugs into.

Cheers :)

[zakelwe]

I've never seen a GF4 which needs power from the PSU, forget that.

Where did you get your card from ? Is it new ?

Regards

Andy

[rohit]

LOl, exactly, there's no GF4 Ti that requires a dedicated power supply frm psu.
loox like sumthin else is creatin problems. Maybe system ram or sumthin.
check the card ( if u can ) on a different machine
if problems persist, contact ur dealer.

[remymarten]

Did you make sure to clean out all the ATi junk? Including all references to ATi left in your registry?

[Morjo]

Yes, but that would make no difference if it will not let me boot my computer up sometimes.

Thanks

[Morjo]

LOl, exactly, there's no GF4 Ti that requires a dedicated power supply frm psu.
loox like sumthin else is creatin problems. Maybe system ram or sumthin.
check the card ( if u can ) on a different machine
if problems persist, contact ur dealer.

Wish I had another PC to test the card out on. I've also checked my ram aswell by moving the ram to different slots etc, but still no fix. If my old Radeon works fine, then there must be something wrong with the 4800SE.

[rohit]

If my old Radeon works fine, then there must be something wrong with the 4800SE

Not necessarily. I had a inno3d geforce4 ti4200 128mb before i bhght 6800GT.
Wen i had my old comp [p3, 866mhz, 256 mb sdram, ti4200] etc., once after a few months, i overcloked the card, n the comp worked fine for a couple of days. Then it used to giv problems like reboot on its own. Sometimes "no signal" to the monitor, n sometimes crash b4 windows used to load. Sometimes system never started, n the infamous problem, the comp wld hang up at the system bios. Thats wen i thought my ti4200 was faulty. But i tried it on my friends comp [better than mine then, p4 1.7ghz, 256mb ddr, n stuff] the card, overcloked, worked buttr smooth. And on my comp, only the GeForce2 MX worked fine.. I mean it never gave any problems, n not the performance too.
Thast y, dont make haisty descisions, try ur card on a different system.
Btw, i bhght a new system, n my gf4 ti4200 worked really well,overcloked, for 8 months. after that i got my 6800GT.
wat if after u get a new card, the problem persists. The radeon card u use uses lesser power frm agp slot compared to the gf4.

[ViBeS]

Hi,

I have a very similar situation with my MSI 4800SE.
After a couple of months working oc at 320 / 635, this card started to "dislike" a cold start. Usually it hangs the pc at post or hang during gaming
if I don´t let it warm a little, say 10 mins or so.

I have tested it in several pcs, I own 4 at the moment and I'm building my 5th... ;)
Always the same thing... :retard:


cheers

[Morjo]

If my old Radeon works fine, then there must be something wrong with the 4800SE
The radeon card u use uses lesser power frm agp slot compared to the gf4.

If it is a power issue, what can be done? I have a Thermaltake 420W PSU which I would have thought would be more than enough.

Could it be a heat issue? I tried taking off the fan already on the GPU but the power cable connector for the fan on the card is stuck and I can't disconnect it at all :(

Also sometimes while playing a game my computer would restart.

Thanks so far :)

[rohit]

no, ur PSU is/may be good, since geforce4 ti series dont require dedicated powr supply line, it cant b a problem in ur AGP slot, it may not b givin proper signals to the card. Or if not, then some other hardware issue.
Asus, MSI generally dont deliver faulty cards, thast the reason, i am askin u to try the card in some other pc, like i did in my case, wen i found out there was some prob in my mobo, psu etc, i sold my comp off for 100 bux :lol2: :)

NOW, Iam not ASKIN u to sell ur comp or buy another, If u cant get ur card checkd at some other place/comp, Get it RMA'd/replaced.
N dont remove/figit with the FAN/cooler too often, for waranty purposes. The dealer can understand by lookin at the thermal compund underneath the cooler, wheather it was opened or no.

And to MR. VIbeS, try restoring the default clok frequencies, n if problems go well-n-good.
Overclokin Stability depends on other system components too.

[andyrock]

It's not a power issue, since i also have an asus 4800se + celeron 1400 (tualatin) + sb-live + usb stuff and an old 250W power supply. I never had any problem like those you are reporting.

Probably your card is damaged - this card can get quite hot, so you should never overclock it if your system's ambient temperature is too high.

[Morjo]

I got a mates 9600XT to try out and the same thing happens with it also :( :(

This is driving me nutters!

[rohit]

I toldya dude, there must be other hardware incompatibility issue or mobo issue. ASUS doesnt hav many problematic cards. especially with geforce4ti lineup.
If u can/and if ur mobo supports, try updatin its bios.

OMG, OMG OMG, i jus saw ur specs, U have a soltek mobo, My friend had/has a soltek mobo too with ATHLON XP 2000+.. n he suffered from a problem as well, wen he switched from a MX440 to ti4200.The comp used to restart on its own. as soon as the OS selection mode came up on startup. But the thing got fine with MX440 re-Installed. I donno wat he did, ill get in touch with him and find out.

(I still feel its a mobo issue...jus a feelin)

[Morjo]

I toldya dude, there must be other hardware incompatibility issue or mobo issue. ASUS doesnt hav many problematic cards. especially with geforce4ti lineup.
If u can/and if ur mobo supports, try updatin its bios.

OMG, OMG OMG, i jus saw ur specs, U have a soltek mobo, My friend had/has a soltek mobo too with ATHLON XP 2000+.. n he suffered from a problem as well, wen he switched from a MX440 to ti4200.The comp used to restart on its own. as soon as the OS selection mode came up on startup. But the thing got fine with MX440 re-Installed. I donno wat he did, ill get in touch with him and find out.

(I still feel its a mobo issue...jus a feelin)

Yes please do that would be fantastic

[rohit]

Alrite, i spoke to him, he says that he tried 3 diff ti4200's on his comp, the xfx that he bought, thn he replaced sayin its faulty, but didnt work, n mine inno3d, that didnt work eithr. So he sold of the ti4200 and is workin with the MX440 :lame:
Also he said the board's bios cant b changed easily, so he doesnt wanna do it.
Also he tld me the problem was cumin on puttin any new gen cards, like Ti-series, or fx 5200/5600U and 9500P.
But strangely, one of our friends, Club3d 9800Pro workd very well :retard:
It gav no problems of freezing, or rebooting of the comp.
the problems he faced with all other cards, bsides the 9800Pro and Mx440 are
1] comp wuld load into windows, after 2 -3 retries. (it used to crash durin 98se boot-screen)
2] comp wuld crash wen switched to 32-bit desktop colors (so ony 256 colors or 16-bit colors culd b used)
3] 20 mins of gameplay, and the comp wuld restart (mind u, no heating problems, all 5 cards cant suffer frm heating probs)

But Surprisingly the Mighty 9800Pro worked very well with no problems at all. No clue y?
now he uses the mx440, he cant afford a 9800pro

Dude im sorry culdnt find out the reason for these probs, n i am sorry i confused u even more :bash:
but i cant really fig. out a reason. Now all u can do is
1] check ur card on some other system, to b sure ur card is alrite ( ur card is alrite since u said 9600Xt also givs same probs) but jus to b sure)
2] to check ur system's incompatibility, borrow ur friends RAM n check wheather ur ram is the culprit or no, or PSu if possible borrow n check, remove all other pci cards, includin LAN Card, to c if its some IRQ problem
3 ] if all abv fails, go to ur dealer/engineer/professional, say "the BOARD is messed up, and is in warranty, RMA it. |OR| Check the system, n fix my cards problem."
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[Morjo]

Thanks for your help it's greatly appreciated.

Anyway I but the bullet and just purchased a new mobo, now it's working again. Thanks :)

[rohit]

Thast great,
ur prob got solved.
but my card is damaged now. so i am scre*ed.

Congrats!!
btw plz post the model of the mobo u had, and the mobo u bought!