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Vanzagar
10-21-04, 12:51 PM
I am wanting to eventually get a nForce4 with SLI and 2 geforce4 6800GTS, but I am going to wait to see how this SLI plays out and for the prices to come down. In the mean time I really want to keep playing Counter Strike Source, but my stupid vid cards keeps getting me down to 15fps. I have everything on the lowest settings and am playing at 800x600 (even have low poly models config on)

---Current system---
Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 1, with latest updates from windowsupdate.com
AMD 1800+, 512MB RAM
MSI Geforce 4 Ti4400, Latest detonator drivers
Creative Soundblaster Live
Shuttle MN31N Mobo, Latest Drivers
Maxtor 80GB, 7200rpm, ATA66 Hard Drive
Sony DRU500A DVD Burner

I am going to buy a vid card on ebay then sell it in about 6-12 months to get my "ideal" system.
What do you think would get me the best bang for my buck to tie me over. I am thinking a ATI 9800 Pro but am wondering if this is not a good match for my cpu. Would my CPU be a huge bottle neck.

*** What vid card would best match a AMD 1800+ to the point where the cpu just starts becoming the bottle neck.

Thanks for any advice...

Vanz

jAkUp
10-21-04, 01:00 PM
I would definetely say a 9800 Pro.

Vanzagar
10-21-04, 01:07 PM
your cpu is a huge bottleneck

For what? Matched with what (don't say everything)???

That's not very informative I know it's a low end cpu???


Also, looking on Pricewatch the Power Color and SAPPHIRE brands names seem to be the lowest costing. I have had real bad experience with Power Color and will never touch again, anyone have troubles with SAPPHIRE? Anyone recommend a lower costing stable brand name?


I would definetely say a 9800 Pro.

jaKUp, you think my AMD 1800+ would work ok with 9800 pro or you think I'm pissing away money cause my CPU won't be able to keep up?

Thanks,

Vanz

jAkUp
10-21-04, 01:09 PM
Well... your cpu is still a small bottleneck, but a 9800 Pro is lightyears ahead of a TI 4400. If you want to max out the graphics, and use AA/AF, the videocard will always be a bottleneck. Keep in mind however that CS: Source is pretty CPU intensive with all the physics...

My friend had an 1800+ with a 5200, he recently upgraded to a 6800NU and the difference is like night and day.

I would also throw in another 512 stick of ram if possible :)

Vanzagar
10-21-04, 01:12 PM
What do you guys think of this ATI 9800 for $135? (http://www.bestbargainpc.com/saatira98vic.html)

Kinda skeptical about Saphire... hmmm....

Vanz

ps. thanks for the advice jaKUp...

Pandora's Box
10-21-04, 01:22 PM
What do you guys think of this ATI 9800 for $135? (http://www.bestbargainpc.com/saatira98vic.html)

Kinda skeptical about Saphire... hmmm....

Vanz

ps. thanks for the advice jaKUp...


no ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BUY THAT CARD! it has a 128bit memory interface. regular 9800 pros have 256.

Vanzagar
10-21-04, 02:37 PM
no ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BUY THAT CARD! it has a 128bit memory interface. regular 9800 pros have 256.

Does that also apply fo rthe non pro card. I believe this is a plain 9800

mustrum
10-21-04, 04:52 PM
It's the CPU. I play CS:S right now. Yeah with that crappy GF 3 TI200. You read right.
It runs smooth as hell. I don't have all graphics to max of course but 1024x768 at medium detail are no problem. It even renders some shaders on the floor i just noticed.
If it's only CS:S you only need more CPU power.

Vanzagar
10-21-04, 05:41 PM
mustrum, what's your fps in the stress test on the main menu?

That seems real strange to me you should be struggling....

Vanz

john19055
10-21-04, 07:27 PM
I not familiar with Shuttle boards but in most n-force-2 boards the mobile processors works great, at least it did in my ASUS N-force 2 board,and at newegg you can get a Mobile XP 2200 with 512mb of L2 cache and all the reviews say it will clock to 11x200 2.2gig and one guy got his to 2.4g ,but with higher voltage.A 9800pro would be great ,but if you are not going to use it that long why spend the the money for a 9800pro when you could get a both a CPU and a video card and it will play your games better because of the faster CPU. You could get a Sapphire Radeon Atlantis 9600pro clocked at 400/600 at $106 plus a processor that will be faster then yours at $77 and both of them are $181 witch is cheaper than you can find a 256bit interface pro, witch is $198 at newegg, the only place I checked but most of the time they are the cheapest on most products,IMO you would be better off going for the double upgrade unless you have money to spend then I guess you could go either way but I think it would be better with a faster CPU as long as you overclock it and a midrange card upgrade than just a 9800pro.I had the XP moblie 2600+ and a ASUS N-Force 2 A7N8X-Deluxe and I ran it at 12x 200FSB 2.4g from day one with never a problem with it is was stable as a rock and when I wanted to benchmark I could go as high as 2.58g but I had to up the voltage all the way and it ran hotter then I liked witch was 57c,I like to try to keep it 40c and below ,I know that is'nt to high for a AND but it is higher than I like to keep it plus on that processor I like to keep my voltage around 1.7v instead of highest it will go,They have two versions at $77 the M-2200 1.35w that is clocked at 1.667g and the M-2400 1.45w witch is clocked at 1.8g but they both overclock great ,and they run cooler than a regular Barton clocked at the same speed.

Lfctony
10-21-04, 07:37 PM
Sapphire are a good make, they make the BBA cards btw, ie the reference boards ATI is selling. Also, I've used 2 Sapphire 9800 Pros at home, with not a single problem. But, stay awat from a 128bit 9800.

mustrum
10-22-04, 03:48 AM
mustrum, what's your fps in the stress test on the main menu?

That seems real strange to me you should be struggling....

Vanz

http://people.freenet.de/mustrum/TI200stresstest.JPG

This is with the TI200. It runs a DX8 path since it is no DX9 card. That's why it'S so smooth i guess.

Edit: I s there anyway to to show the result online like futuremark ORB? It asks to upload the data so it has to be somewhere i guess.