Bush behind 9/11?

[Yonkers]

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

This new tape by Usama puts that to rest with his admission that he was behind the attacks on 9/11. The whole conspiracy theories were total crap as most of us knew they were. What is even worse is Usama says the same things the Michael Moore says and some of the same things that Kerrys says. I think Usama want Bush to be re-elected. I think it is pretty clear.

[Ninja Prime]

Yep. *looks in the direction of peeon and his lib wacko buddies*

[Ninjaman09]

Finally, I was looking for a transcript last night and didn't ever find it.

That was pretty interesting. It confirmed, at least, a lot of things I believed about Al-Qaeda and their motives. I'm not quite sure how you are getting that he wants Bush re-elected, though. Sounds to me like he wants us to quit ****ing with the Middle East and blowing civilians up. It's truly unfortunate that that is no longer an option.

After reading the transcript a few more times, it is truly striking how similar Bin-Laden's speech is to commonly heard arguments by hardcore liberals like Michael Moore. Pretty retarded, if you ask me. If he wanted to go the political route he should have tried that first, now no one will have pity for him.

This article (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/30/opinion/30brooks.html) sums up my opinion pretty nicely, I think.

[Yonkers]

I'm not quite sure how you are getting that he wants Bush re-elected, though.

What Usama wants more than anything is for the muslims to rise up against the west. He has stated this many times. To do this he thinks a agressive US foreign policy will create this over whelming hatred towards the west and especially the US. He wants all out war and he knows he wont get that with Kerry.

If you listen to his words it is clear he wants this war against the "crusaders". He sounds exactly like Hitler with his justifying attacking America, the same way Hitler justified attacking Poland.

Usama even used the exact same rhetoric that Moore and Kerry used this last 4 years. It hasn't worked so far but it only polarizes the country. Usama knows this. For being a Hitler in a head scarf is still is a very smart man and knows our politics.

You have to remember the only way they think that they can prove their god is greater than the Christiand God is to defeat us and impose shariah. This will be their proof.

[Ninjaman09]

Yeah, good point. Makes sense to me!

[aAv7]

Just because Usama takes "credit" doesn't mean he did it. I believe he was in on it, but there's something about 9/11 that just doesn't add up or sit well with me (aside from the tragedy itself) There's too many holes and un-answered questions, but I'm not the type who thinks Bush did it, did he know about it? Maybe....but the President doesn't have half the power or "inside knowledge" the public thinks he does, there's tons of things our goverment is doing good and bad, that he knows nothing of....I always viewed the President as America's version of "the royal family" pretty much there for show and boost confidence....but really, useless for the most part. Anything the President "does" needs to be voted and approved of....so when he says "I'm gonna do this", or "I'm gonna do that"...sure...he'll do it-if congress is backing him....sure he can veto stuff...but so can they....big circle with politics...everyone is fighting for someone and in the end, he/she doesn't have the control he/she makes you believe.

Back to 9/11, I feel it was all for homeland security and being able to keep better tabs on the public. And i'm not one to say how dare our goverment do somethinhg like this...cause I live here, so I mine as welll deal with what's going on...some people say the idea is flat out crazy, others are too afraid to even think of a goverment that callus, but i'm a realist...goverments across the world do what they want, simply because they can...there's really no stopping what it is they want to do...iv'e come to accept that, I dont like it, but what can ya do? Vote Kerry? ::rollseyes:: Lotta help that would do lol.

[Yonkers]

Just because Usama takes "credit" doesn't mean he did it. I believe he was in on it, but there's something about 9/11 that just doesn't add up or sit well with me (aside from the tragedy itself) There's too many holes and un-answered questions, but I'm not the type who thinks Bush did it, did he know about it? Maybe....but the President doesn't have half the power or "inside knowledge" the public thinks he does, there's tons of things our goverment is doing good and bad, that he knows nothing of....I always viewed the President as America's version of "the royal family" pretty much there for show and boost confidence....but really, useless for the most part. Anything the President "does" needs to be voted and approved of....so when he says "I'm gonna do this", or "I'm gonna do that"...sure...he'll do it-if congress is backing him....sure he can veto stuff...but so can they....big circle with politics...everyone is fighting for someone and in the end, he/she doesn't have the control he/she makes you believe.

Back to 9/11, I feel it was all for homeland security and being able to keep better tabs on the public. And i'm not one to say how dare our goverment do somethinhg like this...cause I live here, so I mine as welll deal with what's going on...some people say the idea is flat out crazy, others are too afraid to even think of a goverment that callus, but i'm a realist...goverments across the world do what they want, simply because they can...there's really no stopping what it is they want to do...iv'e come to accept that, I dont like it, but what can ya do? Vote Kerry? ::rollseyes:: Lotta help that would do lol.

I know this will offend you but I have to say it, this is a stupid post.

[Yonkers]

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm

[netviper13]

Apparently Drudge has lost his ability to tell a joke from a real statement.

[Yonkers]

he has made similar dumb statements before. The media just doesn't cover it because of who he is.

[intercede007]

Just because Usama takes "credit" doesn't mean he did it. I believe he was in on it, but there's something about 9/11 that just doesn't add up or sit well with me (aside from the tragedy itself) There's too many holes and un-answered questions, but I'm not the type who thinks Bush did it, did he know about it? Maybe....but the President doesn't have half the power or "inside knowledge" the public thinks he does, there's tons of things our goverment is doing good and bad, that he knows nothing of....I always viewed the President as America's version of "the royal family" pretty much there for show and boost confidence....but really, useless for the most part. Anything the President "does" needs to be voted and approved of....so when he says "I'm gonna do this", or "I'm gonna do that"...sure...he'll do it-if congress is backing him....sure he can veto stuff...but so can they....big circle with politics...everyone is fighting for someone and in the end, he/she doesn't have the control he/she makes you believe.

Back to 9/11, I feel it was all for homeland security and being able to keep better tabs on the public. And i'm not one to say how dare our goverment do somethinhg like this...cause I live here, so I mine as welll deal with what's going on...some people say the idea is flat out crazy, others are too afraid to even think of a goverment that callus, but i'm a realist...goverments across the world do what they want, simply because they can...there's really no stopping what it is they want to do...iv'e come to accept that, I dont like it, but what can ya do? Vote Kerry? ::rollseyes:: Lotta help that would do lol.


You really need to read the 9/11 Commission Report. I personally think it should be requiered reading for every citizen in the United States, but I digress.

Khalid Sheik Mohammed was captured in Iraq. He has testified, and it's been backed up by telephone and e-mail reports from the apartment of Nawaf al Hazmi and Khalid al Mihdar, that Usama bin Laden guided and approved all decisions about the operation.

Mihdhar decided to leave the United States and return home to Yemen after he failed miserable at trying to learn english. Khalid Sheik Mohammed was furious and wanted to remove Hazmi because he feared the departure would blow their cover in San Diego. Usama overruled him and said Hazmi should stay. He did and spent his time preparing to be a hijacker instead of a pilot.

It's just one of many decisions Usama made about the attacks on 9/11 outlined in the Commission's Report.

Furthermore, a civics lesson might be in order. The President is basically the tip of a very large iceberg. The list of offices under his guidance are:

Department of Agriculture
Department of Commerce
Department of Defense
Department of Education
Department of Energy
Department of Health and Human Services
Department of Homeland Security
Department of Housing and Urban Development
Department of the Interior
Department of Justice
Department of Labor
Department of State
Department of Transportation
Department of the Treasury
Department of Veterans Affairs

It's his agenda that each of these departments follows. In other words, nearly everything you do in your day to day life has a connection with the President of the United States through one of these branches.

Drive on a highway? Department of Transportation
Have a job? Department of Labor
Enjoy a national park? Department of the Interior
Spend money? Department of the Treasury
Travel abroad? Department of State

You get the picture.

[Clay]

Finally, I was looking for a transcript last night and didn't ever find it.Here is the transcript (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/bin.laden.transcript/).

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During those crucial moments, my mind was thinking about many things that are hard to describe. But they produced a feeling to refuse and reject injustice, and I had determination to punish the transgressors.

And as I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same -- and that we had to destroy the towers in America so that they taste what we tasted, and they stop killing our women and children.
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[Yonkers]

I am re-thinking my first (amature) assesment of the Bin Laden tape after reading this article. http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/33124.htm

[Templar]

Well every body saw the Pentagon when it happened but no one saw any wreck infront of the Pentagon.. take a look at your old tapes if you have them.

Then building nr. 7 was "pulled" just hours after the thing happened.. doesn't take weeks to "pull" a building?.

9/11 is FISHY to say the least.

Simon

[intercede007]

Well every body saw the Pentagon when it happened but no one saw any wreck infront of the Pentagon.. take a look at your old tapes if you have them.

Then building nr. 7 was "pulled" just hours after the thing happened.. doesn't take weeks to "pull" a building?.

9/11 is FISHY to say the least.

Simon

Only to people that don't read.

Here is a good place to start: 9/11 Commission Report (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393326713/qid=1099476552/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-2764801-3731066?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

It answered all of my questions. The first 2 chapters are a second by second account of every government agency and employee directly involved with what happened on 9/11 as soon as those aircraft took off. You'll be a better citizen for reading it, guaranteed.

For the more immediatly gratifying information: Snopes.com : Pentagon Attack (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm)

We've been over this more times then I care to count in this forum. Always ends up the same way.

And if you are into physics, here you go: Purdue Scientists Simulate Pentagon Strike (http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html)

http://members.cox.net/intercede007/pentagon.jpg

[vampireuk]

There is always some idiot who can seem to find every obscure conspiracy theory site on the internet but doesn't even have a few minutes to research the truth.