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K007
11-01-04, 06:58 AM
I find this commend from the reviewer a big joke.

61.77 Detonators from Nvidia. What often happens is that there will be a much newer driver release floating around the web which hasn't been released to the mainstream consumers yet, but I thought it best to use the drivers that had garnered the seal of approval since these will the ones most people will use.

Anyone here think 61.77 are the best drivers to use on there 6800GT or Ultra? I would say the 65.73 or 66.81 are the best drivers.

Also they use the 4.9 for Ati. Was this review done on the day the cards got out? Because really, drivers make a big difference and using a old driver dosent show the true answer.

I find that review a joke, worst part is, he says drivers make a difference..yet uses old drivers..that review is very flawed, it would be true about 6 months ago.

Cool Barn
11-01-04, 08:03 AM
Did you read the quote? He didn't say that he used the BEST drivers, he said he THOUGHT it BEST to use drivers that most people will use.

And that is true, most people who even know how to update drivers are going to go to www.nvidia.com, they're not going to know that they should go to places like guru3d to try out the various other models doing the rounds.

IMO (although off-topic) you should be more upset at Nvidia and their poor/infrequent official driver releases rather than the reviewer.

(And FYI I own a 6800GT that does stutter in a number of games, so I realize firsthand how Nvidia have slipped tremendously considering their drivers USED to be considered the "golden standard").

K007
11-01-04, 08:06 AM
Aaa nvidia drivers..man they used to be king of drivers back before...i think they are either holding back for hl2 or just hit a brick wall.

Eitherway the 66.81 or 65.73>>>>>>>>>>66.11.

xbit labs acutally used 66.81 on there cs source review.

Knot3D
11-01-04, 08:55 AM
Aaa nvidia drivers..man they used to be king of drivers back before...i think they are either holding back for hl2 or just hit a brick wall.

Eitherway the 66.81 or 65.73>>>>>>>>>>66.11.

xbit labs acutally used 66.81 on there cs source review.

Ugh....everybody 'knows' HL2 release means new Forceware eh...

Elvin Presler
11-01-04, 02:03 PM
Anyone here think 61.77 are the best drivers to use on there 6800GT or Ultra?

Yes. They are just as fast if not more so than all the others and do not cause texture corruption that 65.73 did in Painkiller. I think the IQ is best with 61.77 too.

Most of the nice things said about the beta drivers is placebo effect. With every new driver you'll hear a boatload of people say they get +10 frames per second with them. Well if that was true, we'd all be getting 450 FPS in Far Cry by now.

K007
11-01-04, 08:07 PM
I didnt notice any texture corruption in painkiller...i use 65.73..i still havent finished the game yet tho.

Elvin Presler
11-01-04, 11:21 PM
Well, I did RMA that card, so it could have been that, but when I removed the 6573's and went back to 6177, all corruption stopped, and this was before the RMA. I got it in "The Abandoned Factory" Level in about 3 different areas on the floors/ground.

Anyway, still, every newer driver I tried, most all of them, I would do a quick Fraps benchmark in a few games, uninstall, clean, install the new drivers and do the exact same benchmark. Almost every beta driver was a bit slower than 6177 except 7041 (it was about 3 - 5 FPS faster), but I got some bad IQ with that one.

Anyway, some people swear by 6573, so if they work for you...have at it!

Like this, or just no texture/black
http://members.cox.net/junk666mail/pkanim.gif

holmes
11-01-04, 11:52 PM
I don't particularly like the idea of using beta drivers, but in light of such infrequent driver releases by nvidia I can understand why someone might want to try thm... However, I do believe that as soon as HL2 shows up in stores there will be a magical new driver waiting to be downloaded off nvidia's website... shouldn't be long now. :)

jimmyjames123
11-02-04, 01:51 AM
Lookng at the review, realistically the 6800GT has the edge in gains from being overclocked vs the X800Pro, primarily for two reasons: 1) 16 pipelines on the 6800GT vs 12 pipelines on the X800Pro (which means that fillrate increases at a greater rate per Mhz increase in core clock frequency), and 2) NV4x architecture seems to be more efficient clock for clock vs the R4xx architecture. On a side note, as far as I know, X800Pro VIVO's are extremely hard to come by these days, so the chances of modding to a 16 pipeline card are quite uncertain.

ChrisRay
11-02-04, 02:03 AM
Strange that a reviewer witha 2500+ CPU would not try to OC it to 200 FSB, Which would make sense he was looking for a 200 FSB CPU. Maybe he did, I dunno. My 2500+ Has been running 3200+ speeds for months.

theultimo
11-02-04, 03:22 AM
Strange that a reviewer witha 2500+ CPU would not try to OC it to 200 FSB, Which would make sense he was looking for a 200 FSB CPU. Maybe he did, I dunno. My 2500+ Has been running 3200+ speeds for months.

Heh, i really should try overclocking this 3000+ i have......its on a 166Mhz right now

therapture
11-02-04, 10:55 PM
On a side note, as far as I know, X800Pro VIVO's are extremely hard to come by these days, so the chances of modding to a 16 pipeline card are quite uncertain.


Not too hard? ...I got my Sapphire X800 Pro VIVO last week, I just got on newegg and it was in stock...I have seen several places listing them in stock as well?

BTW, it flashed to 16 pipes perfectly, and it runs XT-PE speeds like it was made that way :)

My 6800GT was great card, I just missed the triple buffering options and was tired of the st..st...st...stutter in Far Cry.

K007
11-02-04, 11:44 PM
Congrats theaprature :)

jimmyjames123
11-02-04, 11:52 PM
Not too hard? ...I got my Sapphire X800 Pro VIVO last week, I just got on newegg and it was in stock...I have seen several places listing them in stock as well?

The price of those X800Pro Vivo's is at least $425 on NewEgg. I've heard of people getting 6800GT's for at least 10-15% less money than those.

Kojiro
11-03-04, 12:23 PM
Forceware drivers are ment to suport the whole entire Geforce and some TNT line cards.

Probably the reason, why nvidia did not officialy release the 66.81 is because the 61.77 probably has better support for older Geforce cards.

I have noticed a slight glitch with the 66.81 WHQL drivers that is also in the non WHQL.

Has anyone noticed how 66.81, when you change a game's profile in the performance and quality settings, and you click apply, it resets to the global driver settings? I did. It seems that only when you click ok, then it keeps the change. A minor set back.

I was using 66.31, got 4086 in 3dmark05, now using 66.81 WHQL I get 4589. I ranted how bad quality the AA was in the non WHQL 66.81. But I guess because the AA settings were not taking effect. Now I know better. :)

theultimo
11-03-04, 01:08 PM
Has anyone noticed how 66.81, when you change a game's profile in the performance and quality settings, and you click apply, it resets to the global driver settings? I did. It seems that only when you click ok, then it keeps the change. A minor set back.


Pointing out its not a "bug", but a feature.

therapture
11-03-04, 02:02 PM
The price of those X800Pro Vivo's is at least $425 on NewEgg. I've heard of people getting 6800GT's for at least 10-15% less money than those.

Yes the 6800Gt is indeed cheaper and this is a big selling point! ATI does not have a 16 pipe card in the price range and that is hurting them...however, one of the reasons the X800 Pro VIVO is that much is because it is essentially an XT-PE in disguise. A simple bios soft mod to unlock the pipes and set the clock speeds correctly does wonders. As long as the VIVO model has the 1.6ns ram (most do) it is almost a gimme to get all 16 pipes open and running at XT+ speeds.

I bought the card I did with the express intention of modding it. So I am very happy with my $425 X800XT-PE :nanahump:

K007
11-03-04, 07:24 PM
Is it XT or XT PE? The GT o/c to Ultra pretty easily, but if you want ultra extreme speeds u need to up the v

TeaEtchSee
11-03-04, 10:53 PM
volt modding is good and dangerouse at the same time

i only volt mod if im benching,

but my original everyday use clock is 380/1000. It still works nice

the most i got was 420/1.3...i did 420/1.5 but then it started to artifact