Finally R480 clocks !

[Graphicmaniac]

i understand all you people who says next NV48 will be clocked so high, believe me that inmy heart i really hope that but, i remeber last year when me and everybody were expecting a NV38 clocked around 550...and all you know how is ended ehe

[Domell]

Yes..It was clocked at 475 mhz...But if NV48 will be clocked at 475 then it will be very good result...
i said that if NV48 will be made on 0,11 micron then it can do clockspeed about 500mhz or little above..
If NVIDIA will use 0,13 micron NV48s clockspeed will be MAX 450-475 mhz...However i hpoe they will use 0,11 micron...

[Razor1]

i understand all you people who says next NV48 will be clocked so high, believe me that inmy heart i really hope that but, i remeber last year when me and everybody were expecting a NV38 clocked around 550...and all you know how is ended ehe

well look at the 6600gt it has no problem reaching 550 to 600 at least thats what the reviewer samples were getting. Thats 4x2 pipelines on a .11, it shouldn't be very hard to get 500 with 16 pipline config on the 6800's on .11

[coldpower27]

i understand all you people who says next NV48 will be clocked so high, believe me that inmy heart i really hope that but, i remeber last year when me and everybody were expecting a NV38 clocked around 550...and all you know how is ended ehe

The example of the NV38 refresh isn't a very good one considering it was on the same process technology. Both the R360 and NV38 were minor clockspeed increase on the same process complete boring refresh parts.

If NV48 gains 0.11 micron technology 475MHZ or higher is within the realm of possibility, additonally costs are reduced due to reduced die size.

[Coz]

According to this article (http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=mozclient&u=http%3A//www.k-hardware.de/news.php%3Fs%3D%26news_id%3D3444) the X850 series is still going to be fabbed on the 130nm low-k process. This makes sense because historically ATi have been uber-cautious moving their high-end parts to a new process. It also makes sense because I doubt ATi would be able to hit those kinds of clocks (500MHz+) with the 110nm process. Look at their X700XT - that's a 110nm part and it barely clocks past 500MHz. The NV 6600GT has a similar spec, hsf, die-size and the same 110nm process and it clocks up in the 560-590MHz range quite easily. I think this suggests ATi will stick with 130nm for now because they need the low-k dielectrics to reach the clocks they want with X850.

The poor yields and large die-size they get with 130nm low-k won't hurt them too badly on high-end, low-volume parts. Apparently X850 is simply a respin of X800 to fix the poor yields they got with X800. The dual-slot cooler allows them to clock everything up 20MHz or so but in reality it's just an overclocked X800.

NV on the other hand look set to move to 110nm with NV48 and then NV47. NV48 will be a higher-clocked NV40, probably around 500MHz for the Ultra part. It may be a pretty decent overclocker too, looking at how well 6600GT clocks on 110nm. NV47 is due for launch in Spring '05 and will be NV's short-term answer to the threat from R520. NV47 will be the same as NV48 but with an extra quad (or two?) - bringing the number of pixel pipes up to 20-24 and giving it more fill-rate than 6800GT SLi (assuming 24-pipe NV47 @ 500MHz). NV47 will be the high-end GPU until NV50 which should arrive in the Fall/Autumn of '05. Hmmm, NV47 SLi anyone?? :)

For anyone filling their flame-throwers, ready to burn poor Coz I should tell you that everything in my post is mere speculation based on rumours. None of us know anything for certain about the new stuff coming from NV and ATi so don't take anything you hear as the rock-solid truth until we hear it from NV/ATi themselves!! :p

[Shapeshifter]

According to this article (http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=mozclient&u=http%3A//www.k-hardware.de/news.php%3Fs%3D%26news_id%3D3444) the X850 series is still going to be fabbed on the 130nm low-k process. This makes sense because historically ATi have been uber-cautious moving their high-end parts to a new process. It also makes sense because I doubt ATi would be able to hit those kinds of clocks (500MHz+) with the 110nm process. Look at their X700XT - that's a 110nm part and it barely clocks past 500MHz. The NV 6600GT has a similar spec, hsf, die-size and the same 110nm process and it clocks up in the 560-590MHz range quite easily. I think this suggests ATi will stick with 130nm for now because they need the low-k dielectrics to reach the clocks they want with X850.

Clock for clock they don't compare the same, its much like Intel Vs amd, One has super high clock speeds, while the other has lower. But they both reach about the same performance.

Any one remeber the MAXX line of cards from ati?

[Coz]

Clock for clock they don't compare the same, its much like Intel Vs amd, One has super high clock speeds, while the other has lower. But they both reach about the same performance.

Are you referring to X700XT vs 6600GT?? Well 6600GT is clearly the better performer of the two and it only has 5% more clockspeed. Also, X700XT has 90% more vertex processing power than 6600GT and yet it still lags behind in performance terms. We've seen on many occasions that the Geforce 6 architecture delivers better clock-for-clock performance than it's ATi equivalent. The best example of this is 6800U vs X800XT-PE - 6800U performance is generally pretty close to XT-PE but with only three-quarters the clockspeed/fill-rate.

If NV can deliver 500MHz+ on their high-end parts using 110nm then it's going to push them clearly ahead of ATi in performance terms until R520 arrives.

[Domell]

Oki...And this is my opinion on this time..
Nvidia will release NV47 to face r520 in first half 2005.R520 will be made on 0,09 micron process and i wonder that NV47 could be made on this process too....
When NVIDIA will pruduce NV47 in this technology , it will may core clocked easily about 600 mhz or above...
I think if NVIDIA is going to make NV47 on 0,09 they do right choice because that chip which will be made in this process(clocked at least 600mhz+some minor improvements) is likely to beat r520...

[vasileiou]

I will wait for the R520 or Nv47 sollutions to come in stores


Until then i will start planning for buying a PCI Express System....
I do not care about the little faster R480XT (It will be PCI EXPRESS ONLY by the way and i still have a expensive AGP system)