View Full Version : Finally R480 clocks !
Graphicmaniac
11-09-04, 12:25 PM
go there and watch how will be the final clocks rates of the next R480 GPU !
http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/1114/index.html
CDsDontBurn
11-09-04, 12:38 PM
if i could read it, i'd be like "WOW, that's awsome" but it's in like portugese or something so i can't say that.
Graphicmaniac
11-09-04, 12:42 PM
its italian, you can use the babilon or google web translator for translate the page ;)
r2d2d3d4d5
11-09-04, 12:52 PM
The nice table helps.
Graphicmaniac
11-09-04, 12:53 PM
The article says ATI will release them the 1st of december
and talks about the SLI version adopted by ATI called A.M.R.
it is more advanced than the SLI
it don't need auxiliar connectors on the videocards
it can be used with different videocards
all R480 cards will use a Dual Cooling solution!
dind't they said that Nvidia is worse because of that? lol
20mhz faster gpu and 60mhz faster memory.... woop deedoo :lame:
it is more advanced than the SLI
lets see nvidia has worked on sli for two years and ati comes along and works on it for what six months or maybe a year and were supposed to think its gonna be faster and better then nvidias... doubtful
GlowStick
11-09-04, 08:22 PM
Im pritty dissapointed with the Memory clocks, but also the core clock is low also, many PE's already can oc more than that.
However if these support dual cards it will be intresting to see. So December 1st could be the Press NDA break on it.
Graphicmaniac
11-09-04, 09:17 PM
yes, i was expecting too some better improvements
i was hoping at least in a 570/1250 fot the PE
anyway the improvements on the Pro are really good :) it seems hards times are coming for the 6800GT ehe
lets see nvidia has worked on sli for two years and ati comes along and works on it for what six months or maybe a year and were supposed to think its gonna be faster and better then nvidias... doubtful
if they develop a solution in the manner proposed it may possibly be so...
but you are right in doubting ati's insinuation here...
keep in mind though that ati does have experience with dual chip solutions and running arrays of cards in concert so its not like they are a complete novice at this...
Riptide
11-09-04, 10:07 PM
The december timeframe seems more realistic. But this won't be a SM3 part? Seems like it'll be a hard sell over a year from now to launch a card without that feature.
*EDIT* That was December of this year then? If so, that means the card will be available this coming summer. :)
Graphicmaniac
11-09-04, 10:20 PM
I think ATI will do anything possible for make the cards avaible for the 15 of december just in time for the Christmas time.
Graphicmaniac
11-09-04, 10:21 PM
the only possible change could be the possibility to use the A.M.R. tecnology
Riptide
11-09-04, 10:25 PM
I think ATI will do anything possible for make the cards avaible for the 15 of december just in time for the Christmas time.I think they will fail. Here it is getting into november and XTPE is still difficult to come across in retail.
Son Goku
11-10-04, 01:52 AM
[rant mode]Anyone find it difficult to read some computer translated articles? Umm, this is the first 2 paragraphs of this article according to babelfish:
To be to Taipei leaves space many privileges. Between these, the pi?nteressante?quello of being able to discuss with several the producers about cards mothers and cards video the next generations about products and technologies that will come in the next few months to the light. Between the information collections in these days, the pi?nteressanti regard ATI sure.
The Canadian producer is prepared launch, next 1 December, one new range of cards video of wraps high destined to sostiture the cards Radeon X800. They are not available at the moment details on the name of the new solution, but?er sure that ATI has chosen the production process to 0.11 micron for this new family of chip. The choice allows to contain the production costs, obtaining a greater number of chip video for every wafer, beyond optimistically improving the productive yields tutt' other that satisfactory that at the present moment ATI records for the chip of the family Radeon X800.
OK, I'll try to make it out, but "cards mothers" and stuff? OK, onto the article[/rant mode]
If people are talking the 15th of December here, just where is the card in manufacturing? Unless this card has taped out, and they've got actual silicon, I'd doubt it. We're talking almost a month away. Time will tell, but there's nothing in the graph to suggest it's ready for release, to be benched by reviewers, or what not. Next year might be more realistic.
Based on what is presented, this looks like some early suggestions concerning what the card might contain upon release, but doesn't seem to give any indication that it's close to being marketed. December 1 is given for a launch (but exactly what do they mean by this, retail launch, or something else? But the first paragraph that talks about developers of cards mothers and cards video (based on the translation) also talks "...about products and technologies that will come in the next few months to the light." Wouldn't expect it based on this article (unless I'm missing something with this really poor translation).
As to a minor increase in clock, being dual chip might help, as increasing the total number of pipes. We do know from CPUs that clock isn't everything, so it would be best to see, and compare with nVidia's contender. Doesn't seem to be as large a clock increase as we've been used to seeing in days past however. Especially if one looks at percentage of clock increase...
keep in mind though that ati does have experience with dual chip solutions and running arrays of cards in concert so its not like they are a complete novice at this...
you have a great point there. doesnt ati have a partner with lockheed martin that uses graphic arrays? .... im wondering if there licnesing there tech .. that might be how they got arround there development time..
retsam
Graphicmaniac
11-10-04, 08:42 AM
the article says that the writer of it has got these informations from the cards makers and if they already know what will be the new frequences i think this mean they are already ready to produce the cards.
annunce a new card the 1st of december is STUPID if they are not able to sell them before christmas because if this happen they will cut off a lot of buyers from buy their (for the moment) high-end cards
then
i think that if they are going to annunce them the 1st of december this will just means they are sure that these cards will e ready in the shops for Christmas.
Anyway in the article is also written that, also if will be really hard, maybe the clocks could be a little bit higher depends what ATI decides in the last moment; anyway 99% these are the final clocks
Riptide
11-10-04, 10:14 AM
I wouldn't put it past them to do something "STUPID" as you say. Look at the debacle that was the last launch.
jimmyjames123
11-10-04, 04:49 PM
it seems hards times are coming for the 6800GT ehe
Why would that be the case? A refresh of the 6800GT would only need a 40Hz increase in core clock to match the theorectical fillrate of the R480Pro, and many people even now are running their GT's at 400-425Hz core clock without breaking too much of a sweat. And when moving from 13 micron low-k to 11 micron process, you give up the benefits of low-k in scaling clock speed, so that is why you don't see the clock speeds increasing tremendously on the R480 products. However, when moving from standard 13 micron to 11 micron, clock speeds should be able to increase significantly more. And of course speed is not everything, as the 6800GT has what most would say is a more advanced feature set.
you have a great point there. doesnt ati have a partner with lockheed martin that uses graphic arrays? .... im wondering if there licnesing there tech .. that might be how they got arround there development time..
retsam
I think they are using something like Alienware's sounds very similiar to thiers, which Alienware licenseed it from someone else. If thats the case its a bit more advanced if you want to call it then nvidia's but its also not as fast.
Why would that be the case? A refresh of the 6800GT would only need a 40Hz increase in core clock to match the theorectical fillrate of the R480Pro, and many people even now are running their GT's at 400-425Hz core clock without breaking too much of a sweat. And when moving from 13 micron low-k to 11 micron process, you give up the benefits of low-k in scaling clock speed, so that is why you don't see the clock speeds increasing tremendously on the R480 products. However, when moving from standard 13 micron to 11 micron, clock speeds should be able to increase significantly more. And of course speed is not everything, as the 6800GT has what most would say is a more advanced feature set.
Ditto, ATi has to do something more then that little bit of an increase, if nvidia is doing a rehash on .11 of their 6800 cores they will be able to get at least 100 mhz extra on em take a 6800 ultra at 500 or a gt at 450, they are already performing close to the xt pe and xt in all accounts pretty much tied.
Graphicmaniac
11-10-04, 07:48 PM
Why would that be the case? A refresh of the 6800GT would only need a 40Hz increase in core clock to match the theorectical fillrate of the R480Pro, and many people even now are running their GT's at 400-425Hz core clock without breaking too much of a sweat. And when moving from 13 micron low-k to 11 micron process, you give up the benefits of low-k in scaling clock speed, so that is why you don't see the clock speeds increasing tremendously on the R480 products. However, when moving from standard 13 micron to 11 micron, clock speeds should be able to increase significantly more. And of course speed is not everything, as the 6800GT has what most would say is a more advanced feature set.
look that i said hard times are coming for the Geforce 6800GT and not that hard times are coming for refresh of it ..
about a probably refresh of the GeForce 6800U i doubt they will reach a core clock of 500 because i have heard that oevr the 470 all cards shows many problems even if watercooled .. so i think they could be about 425,450 or 475.
well if they do 500 , then compliments ehe :)
jimmyjames123
11-11-04, 01:14 PM
[quote=look that i said hard times are coming for the Geforce 6800GT and not that hard times are coming for refresh of it ..[/quote]
No offense, but I don't think that 6800GT owners will lose any sleep over a 12 pipe refresh of the X800Pro :D
coldpower27
11-11-04, 07:43 PM
Hmm, the inquirer seesm to have the clocks of the R480 now. They are slightly higher then the 0.13 low-k chips, but just barely.
If Nvidia can do 500MHZ on a NV43, on 0.11 micron and ATi can do 475MHZ on RV410, and 540MHZ on R480, then I would think 475MHZ or so for NV48 is a reasonably conservative estimate..:P
I think if NV48 will be made on 0,11 micron it will be clocked about 500mhz because NV43 is clocked 500 but it can easily have 570-600mhz -with slightly better cooling of course-....NVIDIA can do higher clocks speed in their chips than ATIs in the same technology...
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