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Iron1384
11-14-02, 08:34 PM
I think having games released on DVD discs would be a nice change. Games could benefit from the large capacity, and we wouldn't have to swap discs during installation. The only problems is, some people don't have a DVD drive. How many of you do have one?

SavagePaladin
11-14-02, 09:14 PM
It has more benefits than that. Much faster transfer speeds, high quality video. You could add 'optional' content like demos for other games...just like DVD movies do. The large amount of data would make it harder to pirate games too, though they probably still will.

The problem is, its hard to get people to buy something for one game.
But the way I see it, if a good game started it, then more would follow, and it would no longer be a problem.

I think it's ridiculous that (practically) nobody uses it.

madthumbs
11-14-02, 10:24 PM
What's nice is that you can take a game like M$ Rallisport Challenge and put all the files from the 3cd's on a DVD-r along with a crack and Install from that, or M$ Streets & Trips which is 2cd's works when extracted and burned to a dvd-r.

thcdru2k
11-14-02, 11:36 PM
i love to watch dvd movies on my leather chair with surround sound. would be better use if their were games, but usually i install everything to hd anyway so i don't really care if the game was on dvd or cd.

AngelGraves13
11-15-02, 02:37 AM
I wouldn't mind....I'm sick of changing discs when installing Unreal Tournament 2003 and Medal of Honor plus the add-on for it.

marqmajere
11-15-02, 02:56 AM
I own a Lite-on 16X DVD drive. It has got to be the best thing I have bought of my pc. It allows me to watch movies when my roomate is watching something else (with headphones of course). I just don't think DVD games are practical. We install games onto our hard drives first thing. From there they are accessed from the hard drive. 99% of the time the cd's use is to start up the game and nothing more. If the amount of information on the disks is a problem then companies compress the data so it will fit on 1 cd.

Marqus

StealthHawk
11-15-02, 03:11 AM
having a dvd-rom alongside with my cd burner is a great thing. i can just leave discs of my most played games that require cds and not worry about switching as much.

with dvd-roms so cheap it's not even a hard choice to make :) buy the dvd-rom!

stncttr908
11-15-02, 07:59 AM
My next rig will have one, since I'll be purchasing a nice Samsung 955DF CRT.

nin_fragile14
11-15-02, 10:11 AM
Yep, I have one. Baldur's Gate is the only game I can remember being released on DVD.

vampireuk
11-15-02, 10:18 AM
I have a purdy dvd-rom :)

madthumbs
11-15-02, 01:03 PM
You guys need to think dvd-r/w. I'm currently backing up a bunch of programs on once disk. I've also put multidisk games / software on dvd.

saturnotaku
11-15-02, 01:39 PM
And when I have $300 to spend on an optical drive I might do that. But for now, it's not financially practical for most of us to get a DVD recorder.

stncttr908
11-15-02, 05:41 PM
Especially with the media priced as high as it is anyway. I can get 50 CDR's for about $12 and only about 6 DVDs, and then I'd have to sink $300 into the drive. Really not practical.

StealthHawk
11-15-02, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by madthumbs
You guys need to think dvd-r/w. I'm currently backing up a bunch of programs on once disk. I've also put multidisk games / software on dvd.

if i had $300 to burn i would use it to get a R9700Pro rather than a DVD burner.

SavagePaladin
11-15-02, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
if i had $300 to burn i would use it to get a R9700Pro rather than a DVD burner.
Hear hear.

saturnotaku
11-15-02, 08:12 PM
If I had $300 to use for anything I'd use it towards a mortgage payment, especially since the 9700 I tried didn't overwhelm me. :)

exar
11-16-02, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by nin_fragile14
Yep, I have one. Baldur's Gate is the only game I can remember being released on DVD. Riven was also released on DVD. I used to have a 2x DVD player, but I never used it, so I sold it. Most new computers bought from a Dell, Compaq, Gateway, etc. all have DVD players standard. I don't see why games aren't put on DVD's. We're already paying $50 or more for games, and most of them are on multiple discs. It'd be nice if companies would realize how much it sucks to be swapping discs all of the time. Console games are farther ahead in this respect, and they cost the same or even less than most PC games.

thcdru2k
11-16-02, 08:15 PM
you just brought up an interesting point..one of the arguements why pc manufacturers didn't use dvd is the price of the media is more expensive. but considering how xbox and ps2 use dvd for their media, it shouldn't be that much of a problem for pc games to start coming on dvd.

StealthHawk
11-16-02, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by thcdru2k
you just brought up an interesting point..one of the arguements why pc manufacturers didn't use dvd is the price of the media is more expensive. but considering how xbox and ps2 use dvd for their media, it shouldn't be that much of a problem for pc games to start coming on dvd.

of course this kind of gets into a spiral argument. console games and PC games are really incomparable. console games certainly have a great average return than PC games do for publishers. which means that productions costs are a non-issue compared to the PC platform.

then you have content. console games can use as much or as little content(textures, data, sound, etc) and know how it will perform on a given console. the same is of course not true on pc. most PC devs aren't going to spice the game up with high quality textures and stuff when half the people who buy the game won't be able to use them. that's not to say some won't, as it is being done, and has been done.

madthumbs
11-17-02, 09:35 AM
DVD media is down to under $2 each and approaching $1. At $2 you even get the jewel cases. They hold the data of 6 cd's. Cd's cost ~$.20 x 6 = $1.2 Which is approximately the current price of a blank dvd. Into SVCD?... How about the whole movie on one disk? Xbox? How about 8 games on one disk? Not to mention the computer back potential and all the space you can save.

Not sure if the prices have dropped, but I remember seeing the Pioneer 2x selling for ~$250 at reputable sites.

SavagePaladin
11-17-02, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
of course this kind of gets into a spiral argument. console games and PC games are really incomparable. console games certainly have a great average return than PC games do for publishers. which means that productions costs are a non-issue compared to the PC platform.

then you have content. console games can use as much or as little content(textures, data, sound, etc) and know how it will perform on a given console. the same is of course not true on pc. most PC devs aren't going to spice the game up with high quality textures and stuff when half the people who buy the game won't be able to use them. that's not to say some won't, as it is being done, and has been done.
everything is a spiral argument lately if it involves money....

StealthHawk
11-17-02, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by SavagePaladin
everything is a spiral argument lately if it involves money....
touche :D

Ryo-Ohki
11-18-02, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by exar
Riven was also released on DVD.

True... I'm happy someone confirms what I believed to be a myth, since I could never find it and went through the whole 5 CDs set agony (not too much of a problem at first, but near the end of the game, you've got to switch between islands quite a bit and it's a pain).

Also, I got the Blade Runner game on DVD with my ancient Packard-Bell (and I never even started it... :p)

Jan Kivar
11-19-02, 12:20 PM
Plus DVD-ROM drive prices are so low that theres no sense in buying CD-ROM drive.

But I'm used to two drive setup:D, how many of You have only CD-RW drive in Your computer?

Jan


[edit: typo]

madthumbs
11-19-02, 01:02 PM
I have to have at least 3 optical drives now. DVD, CDRW, and DVD-r/rw.