Okay, now I am confused

[Kruno]

Matrox Parhelia or Radeon 9500.
My parents are going to give me $500 so I don't think I can afford an Ati card. :/

Is the Parhelia a good jump from a GF3?
I don't care about DX9 features, I care about performance and quality of todays and tomorrows games.
I'm now reading the Nvnews review of the card.
I can't decide if it's worth the jump though. :/

BTW I do care about FSAA but not AF.

[Fotis]

500 australia dollars?IMHO the parhelia is not much of a jump from a gf3.The radeon 9700 non pro should be a huge jump but I don't know how much it costs in $.In europe radeon 9700 non pro costs around 390euros.The radeon 9500pro is as fast as a gf4ti4200 default and faster than a gf4ti4600 with fsaa&aniso.Don't buy the non-pro radeon 9500,its a waste of money IMO.

[ATI LoVeR 9700]

Originally posted by Fotis
500 australia dollars?IMHO the parhelia is not much of a jump from a gf3.The radeon 9700 non pro should be a huge jump but I don't know how much it costs in $.In europe radeon 9700 non pro costs around 390euros.The radeon 9500pro is as fast as a gf4ti4200 default and faster than a gf4ti4600 with fsaa&aniso.Don't buy the non-pro radeon 9500,its a waste of money IMO.

Den kseris poso to sixenome to euro. Anatrixiazo otan to piano. Apo ti vromo-xarto to exoune vgali then ksero...

And that price is nuts! I didn't know Europe pays that much for computer hardware!

[Ryo-Ohki]

Just checked, the Radeon 9700 Pro 128 is about 400 € in France. I'm almost positive I saw models topping at 500 €... :eek:

(1€ = $1)

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=611213/ut=d52cb7dbb085ef0f

Are these prices above moreless accurate for the US ??

[Fotis]

Originally posted by ATI LoVeR 9700
Den kseris poso to sixenome to euro. Anatrixiazo otan to piano. Apo ti vromo-xarto to exoune vgali then ksero...

And that price is nuts! I didn't know Europe pays that much for computer hardware!
Einai thema sinithias.Poli arnitikos eisai.To euro einai to deutero isxirotero nomisma ston kosmo vale oti argotera tha to iothetisi ke h agglia,souidia kai alles ara tha gini isxirotero.Des thn aksia piso apo to xarti.
Sthn teliki, it's only money.
About the prices in europe, the fact that there are no large distributing channels + VAT's(eupope tax) make the prices skyrocket.The average VAT in europe is around 15-18% on the price.There is good interview at www.guru3d.com where creative.europe explains how and why prices goes up in europe.
P.S In case you don't know there is a big trade(tax's) war between USA and Europe thats why European products are more expensive in USA and US products more expensive in europe.Try buying a mercedes in USA and check what europeans pay.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Ryo-Okhi
Just checked, the Radeon 9700 Pro 128 is about 400 € in France. I'm almost positive I saw models topping at 500 €... :eek:

(1€ = $1)

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=611213/ut=d52cb7dbb085ef0f

Are these prices above moreless accurate for the US ??

not really. the R9700Pro is MSRP $400 in the US. you can find them for close to $300.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by K.I.L.E.R
Matrox Parhelia or Radeon 9500.
My parents are going to give me $500 so I don't think I can afford an Ati card. :/

Is the Parhelia a good jump from a GF3?
I don't care about DX9 features, I care about performance and quality of todays and tomorrows games.
I'm now reading the Nvnews review of the card.
I can't decide if it's worth the jump though. :/

BTW I do care about FSAA but not AF.

the Parhelia is a good jump from the GF3. so is a GF4 or a R9500Pro though :p

it's pretty obvious that you're not considering a GF4, so in reality i'm not sure you're getting much more of a bang for the buck with either the Parhelia or the R9500Pro. personally, unless you intend to to some Surround Gaming, i wouldn't touch the Parhelia.

how much is a R9700(non-Pro) over in AUS?

[Kruno]

I wish I could find the price. :/

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by K.I.L.E.R
I wish I could find the price. :/

are they even out in the US yet(the R9700 regular)? i'm just assuming they would probably show up here before AUS.

[Mono]

I havn't seen um