View Full Version : Pacers vs Pistons Riot
short version (http://media.holla-front.com/nbafight.wmv)
best version of fight (http://www.icoholic.com/movies/pistons_pacers.mpeg)
superklye
11-20-04, 04:08 AM
this was the most amazing thing ever
superklye
11-20-04, 04:09 AM
damn it! the long one doesn't work! :( I keep getting a 404 error.
Tyr-Sog
11-20-04, 12:58 PM
http://students.washington.edu/tkz/Fight.avi
another one, but not the best quality (http://jax.zenblue.net/test.asf)
It is mostly the fans fault and ben wallace.
watched it earlier on espn, 3 fans got knocked the **** out
edit: changed the 2 to a 3 :)
superklye
11-20-04, 03:22 PM
This fight was seriously the greatest thing to ever happen to pro basketball
This fight was seriously the greatest thing to ever happen to pro basketball
I'm a HUGE Pacers fan and I attend quite a few games each year. I'm disappointed in the Detroit fans involved and some of our players' reactions. It's easy for someone not directly involved to say "they should have done this or that, showed more restraint, etc"...very easy to say. I dunno, it's a mess no matter how you look at it.
So far tonight, with only 6 active players we're hanging with Orlando though (65-65 after three quarters)...THAT is amazing to say the least. If we beat the Magic how crazy would that be? :D
YOGIx213
11-20-04, 11:24 PM
Those fans are a bunch of b*tches. Most of them threw stuff knowing damn well they were going to be protected. Then when the Pacers reacted they got what they desereved. Don't throw beer in someone's face without expecting a reaction. This would never have happened out on the streets. The atmosphere of the stadium and mob mentality gave these fans a can of courage but some of them got a quick reality check. I know people say that these are pros and they should just back down but they're human also. If someone threw beer in my face, all hell would break loose.
Yeah, it's easy to say what you "would have done" or "what should be done". Clearly, no player should ever enter the stands. Equally clear is that no fan should ever throw objects at players....and around and around we go. :)
Pacers lost 86-83 to the Magic with only six players able to play (rest are injured or suspended now). Amazing, I wisth they'd have pulled out a win but still crazy to only lose by three in the final seconds.
stncttr908
11-21-04, 11:45 AM
The fans shouldn't have acted that way, true, but Ron Artest is an arrogant piece of garbage.
artest is going to get the short end of the stick..
all the dumbass puritans who run the NBA with chief douche-bag david stern are going to make him the scape-goat from the sounds of it...
he didn't instigate anything... ben wallace did... fouls are part of the game...
even after being pushed he didn't react... he simply walked away while ben wallace kept throwing things at him... more than I could say for myself if I was in the same situations...
the retarded pistons fan/fans who started pelting the players though... that was completely uncalled for and I completely support the ESPN broadcasters position on the matter while they were covering the game... it was not the players who instigated it...
regarding them being professionals and therefore not reacting that way? thats b.s.
if david stern or any other short/fat/balding turd was on the court in an emotional game like this they would have done EXACTLY the same thing...
these atheletes are human beings with feelings and emotions... it is those emotions that makes them who they are and elevates their skills to the levels they are as well... they are not methodical robots programmed to shoot the ball and defend and run coast to coast for 48 minutes a game...
suspensions should undoubtedly be handed out, in double digits for the pacers players, jackson/o'neal and artest for throwing punches, and perhaps the whole season for artest for going into the stands... wallace should share a lot of the blame also because he started the incident with the first shoved and kept going and throwing things at artest... I'll be damned if that did not tell the fans that they too could throw crap onto the court...
---
keep in mind I am not big fan of either detroit or the pacers... but I love basketball and I love the way both clubs come out and play hard each night...
but this was not a fault of the fans and david stern's credibility is on the line based off of the decision he makes on this fiasco...
keep in mind Artest with assaulted first...
Imbroglio
11-21-04, 05:33 PM
i don't care how much of mob mentality a stadium gets, all those ppl throwing beer and popcorn and other **** at the players as they try to enter the tunnels is pure garbage, that just goes to show the lack of any type of intelligence and morals, "oh god this guy threw his beer, i'm throwing mine", honestly wtf, the piston fans should be punished by not being allowed to watch the piston's play-off games in the stadium, that'd get the point across, see how retarded they'd act next time something like that happened
as for the guy that threw the cup at artest, you know his iq is well below 80, i mean if you plan on throwing anything at any pro player, why in god's name would you throw it at artest, one of the most unstable players in the game, you're just asking for the beating of your life regardless if you're in the front row or in the balcony, that's just plain retarded, and for the fat p.o.s. that stepped on the court, he was trespassing, and if jermaine oneil doesn't slip that turd would be in critical condition right now rather than just a broken jaw, i'd like to see him charged with trespassing just to add a little insult to injury
those players are vulnerable on the court, they know that, you and i know that, its human instinct to protect yourself from danger, so all those fans that got their asses beat deserved what they got
another thing, at the end of the long clip you can see the type of ppl that do crap like this, look again, everyone acting like a tough guy, saying **** to artest, knowing they are protected, dumping their drinks on them, they are all mid-20's single males, obviously they have social issues they need to work out, yea, thats right you said "f u" to ron artest from 20 rows back, wow you are my hero, now, i'd like to see that person do the same thing if they ran into him on the street, oh no, that wouldn't happen, because you'd end up with urine in your pants, most of the pro players are from the hood, artest is 6'7, what are those tough white boys, 5'8 tops, yea, just another example of how pathetic ppl really are
the nba came down hard, but i think it's justifiable:
The NBA has suspended Indiana's Ron Artest for the remainder of the season, Stephen Jackson for 30 games and Jermaine O'Neal for 25 games while Ben Wallace of Detroit got 6 games for their roles in Friday's Pacers-Pistons brawl. More to follow
espn link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1928540
the nba came down hard, but i think it's justifiable:
thats not justifiable... thats a total cop-out...
the pacers season has been effectively sabotaged by the pistons fans and david stern is a jackass for handing out that kind of punishment while only giving wallace 6 games...
HE continued to throw stuff at artest... HE started the whole fracas... it was HIS actions (throwing his towel and stuff at artest) that led to the fans throwing stuff at artest...
6 games?
david stern is turning this into one massive joke...
Yonkers
11-21-04, 07:32 PM
I think a couple of guys need to be banned from the NBA. This crap is stupid and I don't care who stated it.
BTW what was that fat white buy doing on the court? What a idiot, and then down he went.
Now we wait for the civil law suits.
who ran into the seats and started beating on the fans? while i think that the fans behaviour was wrong (they should be prosecuted by the police, or banned from future games), the pacer's players should not have entered the seats and beated on the fans. any lesser punishment on them would be condoning their beaviour.
re civil suits: litigation is the American way. :D
who ran into the seats and started beating on the fans? while i think that the fans behaviour was wrong (they should be prosecuted by the police, or banned from future games), the pacer's players should not have entered the seats and beated on the fans. any lesser punishment on them would be condoning their beaviour.
how would you react if someone threw something at you without provocation?
a projectile... any projectile is basically a form of attack and thats basically what happened here...
I would have done the same thing... players don't go into the stands... fans don't throw projectiles @ players...
the players did not start the fracas, the fans did and thus far no arrests have been made...
however I am more concerned with the lack of punishment being meted out to ben wallace v/s the complete dissemination of the pacers squad by this ruling...
-edit-
btw the lack of punishment v/s the pistons organisation is absolutely incredible...
in football (soccer) if a teams fans behave anywhere near the level that pistons fans did... the fines include sealing off the fans from attending the next few games... thereby affecting the cash flow of the organisation...
true, the team should be punished (ie, a hefty fine or playing in front of an empty stadium, but that is rarely done in NA sports).
having a beer thrown at a player does not excuse their actions. they reacted without thinking, attacking the customer, and should be punished harshly. however, the police should also charge those idiots who attacked the players.
artest being banned for the season makes sense... the suspension for jackson, while harsh, also makes sense...
o'neal's suspension is a little hefty given he was blatantly provoked into reacting by a pasty little turd...
wallace's suspension however is way too lenient based off of what we see handed to the pacers players...
wallace's suspension was a result of a game-related incident, and should not be judged with the same criteria as those who entered the stands.
no he did not enter the stands... but he instigated the whole thing by continuing to pursue artest and throwing things at him...
it is only logical to conclude that wallace's throwing of items at artest led to some retard in the stands to throw a projectile at artest...
in light of that 6 games seems extremely minor since he in fact started the whole thing...
wallace cannot be held accountable for the actions of some "retard" in the stands. wallace fouled artest, but he did not ask for or condone the attack of artest by the fans.
/me shrugs
I spose its a matter of perspectives here...
in my opinion I think the pacers and the city of indianapolis is getting a majorly raw deal while the pistons and their organisation is getting off rather easy... save for a coupla minor slaps on the wrist...
if indeed the league is still going over the evidence and deciding what to do on certain matters than why indeed take the steps it has done and react in the manner is has reacted...
heck latrell sprewell CHOKED a man and he's still playing... and was suspended effectively for a shorter period of time than artest will be...
vBulletin® v3.7.1, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.