OT: Half life 2 porting petition

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Linux : Half life 2 porting petition
Posted by Anonymous on 2004/11/28 13:16:43

Half-Life2 Linux
Please sign this petition for Half Life2 to be ported to the Linux os.
I believe that there is no substitute for a native Linux game as Wine/Cedega
are significantly slower in my experience.
Valve needs to know there is a market for Linux games as on their forums any
suggestion for a port is dismissed, the usual comment is 'There is no market for a Linux port'.
Please prove them wrong.

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[MattNeedsHelp]

Now that's a lame reply! How can there ever be a market for Linux gaming if they don't make the games for Linux?

Strange spirit voice from the skies I hear:
"Port the game and they will come."

-Matt

[Spyke]

Haha, Valve doesnt care about Linux!
And besides, they can keep that pile of 'steam'ing sh!t off my hard disk.

[Lithorus]

Personally I would rather have them stop with the only-dx-thingy and release their next engine with BOTH OpenGL and/or DirectX. When valve started with the HL2 engine, the level of drivers/features for linux was far from what they are today.

[Spyke]

Well, actually Valve does care about Linux, but just on the server side, since they need stable servers, its all about money.

[russofris]

Cedega (will) allows you to play HL2 under linux.

There are a number of reasons not to buy/play HL2, but those are for another web board.

Thank you for your time,
FranK Russo

[MattNeedsHelp]

I know a lot of people who were upset that when they bought the pre-order for an extra 10 bucks without knowing it was a preorder. Seems it wasn't advertised as a pre-order at the store. They got the thing installed just to find out they had to wait another 3 days+ to get on the internet to unlock the game.

I wouldn't buy it since the computer I have the good stuff on isn't connected to the internet yet.

-Matt

[J.F.]

I know a lot of people who were upset that when they bought the pre-order for an extra 10 bucks without knowing it was a preorder. Seems it wasn't advertised as a pre-order at the store. They got the thing installed just to find out they had to wait another 3 days+ to get on the internet to unlock the game.


That wasn't a "preorder". Valve knew that some disreputable stores were selling games before they were supposed to in order to make more money. In order to keep things "fair" for everyone, Valve decided to make it where the game would need to be unlocked first, and the unlocking would only start on the official launch date when the stores were SUPPOSED to start selling it. Anyone who had to wait bought it from a store selling early instead of waiting for the official launch date.

[Lithorus]

It wasn't to make it fair to anyone. They did it due to their publishers wishes.

[Spyke]

Its not like it was Valve's fault. Incase for those that didnt read this yet:
---------------------------

Half-Life 2 For Sale?
November 13, 2004, 4:57 pm · valve
If you have purchased a copy of Half-Life 2, we are sorry you are still waiting to play. This is not Valve's choice. Vivendi is insisting that the game has not yet been released, and has threatened that Valve would be in violation of its contract if we activate the Half-Life 2 Steam authentication servers at this time.

Thanks for your patience and we will update you when we have more news to share.

[oldsk00l]

Cedega (will) allows you to play HL2 under linux.

There are a number of reasons not to buy/play HL2, but those are for another web board.

Thank you for your time,
FranK Russo

Ummm, excuse me, but if you're not a mod or site admin, stfu and goto hell as to what belongs on this board or not.

Cedega is a joke, and so is all of transgaming.

[Leech]

Meh, you're not missing much... oh wait, the game kicks ass :D. Actually, (I'm sorry, I feel so dirty) I'm actually playing it under windows. But the Steam thing blows. Required spyware for you to play their game. I figure I'll win the game, and then remove Steam with extreme prejudice. Valve are buggers about porting anything over to linux, and it doesn't help that Cedega will play it. That just convinces Valve even more not to release a linux client. (Buggers are just as bad as Electronic Arts, who also only release servers for linux, and no clients).

I haven't tried this on Cedega yet. Is it really a lot slower than it is in Windows?

Leech

[oldsk00l]

It'd probably be a marginal slowdown. I am quite frustrated with Cedega though, whenever you play a game on Cedega you are doing nothing to get more Linux games.

In fact you harm the Linux gaming community, as it's considers "Windows audience" as it is transparent to all the $$$ decision makers as to making Linux ports. I, quite frankly, want no part of a game developer not willing to do a native port. As such, you can bet I won't be buying HL2.

[emailthatguy]

actually i read that they actually worked with transgaming to get cedega up to speed on it. i wish i still had the link but unfortunately i dont. what i remember tho, is that they figured, if they can get it running well under cedega then there is no need for a port

[oldsk00l]

There is because it registers as a "Windows Sale" not a Linux sale. There are also inherent problems with an infrastructure based on emulation. It can never be as fast, and tweaks/fixes can't be made down the road in the event of a patch. Native is the only way to go if you bother at all. Plus Transgaming is not the most reputable company, in fact I think they are just scheisters leeching off of the wine project and violating terms of the GPL.

[Rakeesh]

Well, wine isn't really an emulator. You can almost call it a simulator, but not quite. All it does is intercept API calls and perform the same action that the win32 environment would otherwise do - it doesn't even have any kind of translation layer. If it were an emulator, it would probably be much slower than it is.

[oldsk00l]

Actually, you're right, I'd just use the term wrapper.

[WeReWoLf]

how about you just bite the damn bullet and buy windows and HL2 and play it. Otherwise, recognise that valve isn't going to release it to Linux and stop bitching.

[oldsk00l]

how about you just bite the damn bullet and buy windows and HL2 and play it. Otherwise, recognise that valve isn't going to release it to Linux and stop bitching.

Oh, I will do faaaar worse than bitch, I just won't buy it. Any of it. I hope never to purchase ANY software that doesn't have a Linux port, ever again.

This is far more effective than complaining and buying it. It is also certainly more effective than buying and not complaining. Gah, that's about the worst solution I've ever heard of in my entire life, to a problem like this.

That's like "Hmm, maybe we should try and put the fire out" "Stop your bitching and throw some more fuel at it".

[superklye]

Oh, I will do faaaar worse than bitch, I just won't buy it. Any of it. I hope never to purchase ANY software that doesn't have a Linux port, ever again.

This is far more effective than complaining and buying it. It is also certainly more effective than buying and not complaining. Gah, that's about the worst solution I've ever heard of in my entire life, to a problem like this.

That's like "Hmm, maybe we should try and put the fire out" "Stop your bitching and throw some more fuel at it".
This post reminds me of a Family Guy quote:

"Look, I know you're a feminist, and I think that's adorable...but right now, the men need to talk."

Basically, you and a few other people not buying the game as some sort of bastardized version of a 1950s sit-in isn't going to do anything. Keep up the good work though, I guess.

[oldsk00l]

Quite frankly, HL2 is "just a game". It's just more shooting, more cutscenes, and dialogue, and pretty graphics. It's not worth paying $$$ to acquire software that's not able to run natively on an OS that I'm running. Valve is out my $50, and I'm quite content.

I don't see how anyone here is adamant that "YOU MUST BUY HL2, AND STFU". That's retarded, no I don't want HL2 unless there's a Linux version, and I don't care if Valve NEVER makes Linux binaries. It's just a game.

No, I will NEVER buy software from a company that steals and obfuscates code openly. Transgaming has never credited back to the FOSS philosophy and their business practice is highly questionable. Plus it's ghey to use a slow wrapper for software.

If Valve never releases binaries, then in turn, I will NEVER buy HL2. It's all very simple, and everyone seems to be missing the point.

[Imbroglio]

edit: yes, i shouldn't have said that (xmasgrin)

[oldsk00l]

Discussing warez on these forums is pretty bad dude, I advise against it as it is a bad thing to do here.

But, notice I said I would never give Valve any money, or *buy* any windows games ;)

And that's all I have to say about that....

[WeReWoLf]

Actually i was giving you the option of buying windows and half life 2 and playing it contently, or not buying it and missing out. I certainly don't care what you do and i'm pretty sure that valve doesn't either considering it has sold a few million copies by my guess. You say that you're happy not buying it. Obviously you aren't because you won't stop bitching.

[oldsk00l]

rofl

Like I said, I'm perfectly happy not buying it. Read what I just said above.

You'd hear a very different tune from me in IRC, something about stars blowing up.