View Full Version : Nvidia has canned the NV48!
AthlonXP1800
12-01-04, 07:01 PM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19992
I think Fuad talking (bs2) about it.
Nvidia had NV48 working chips in the engineer labs since Sept. I am sure they will launch it after heard and read X850 PE reviews and decide NV48's final clock configurations. Well if Nvidia really canned it and I guess I probably will get 6800 Ultra for Xmas and look like Nvidia will launch NV50 alot earlier than expect early 2005 next year to make up NV48 absent.
Wait till tomorrow, nvidia exec's are "presenting" something.
Demanufakture
12-02-04, 02:52 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19992
wonder what theyll do next?
superklye
12-02-04, 02:56 AM
I thought there was a thread about this in the Rumor Mill?
ATI's refresh wasn't really a refresh at all and higher prices to boot. This maybe smart on Nvidia's side due to the fact they can invest and put all efforts into their next round and not get side tracked with a mediocre increase which makes all of their partners having to refit, new boxes, new promotions etc. . So Nvidia maybe can lower the price and really push the aGP cards, the cards that most people want. ATI new cards are virtually all PCI-ex, yeah they will accumulate on the shelves and just sit there because most people are buying AGP cards and it looks like Nvidia is the only one in town able to sell them on the high end.
They prolly dont wanna do to the 6800 owners what happened when the 5900 came out and all the 5800 owners were stuck with a card they thought was the best at one point, but was replaced so fast.
Id be pretty mad if i had tracked down a X800XT-PE and found out some "new" card was better this soon. Just cuz of the benchmark wars between ATi and nvidia too.
Don't remind me about that 5800....
After looking the benchies of the "refresh" x850 series, i feel, nv played a correct move by canning the nv48. Coz the 6800GT still leads the $400 segment (over the new x850pro & x800XL), and 6800U is doing good against the x850XT.
So realy doesnt make any sense of nv48.
(God only knows where did the 30-50% improvement in performance of x850xt-pe went, against the 6800U, as stated by The INQUIRER.)
Well raise the (bs) flag over their performance statements. Actually Nvidia drivers are giving Nvidia cards more performance increases then ATI refresh parts come to think about it (xmasgrin).
mustrum
12-02-04, 04:41 AM
If you look at the pathetic x850 i see why. Releasing a new card with very small clock speed increases is pointless.
I see the reason ATI has since they didn't have the XT PE for PCI-E but nvidia has the 6800U for PCI-E (theoretically lol).
The x850 is nothing more than a core revision adjust to allow higher yields. I'm surprised ATi felt the need to change the name of the chip. The X800 was already able to reach 600MHz with air cooling. I was more curious to see how the new 0.11u R430 performed since this chip should be a worthy competitor for the 6800NU.
vasileiou
12-02-04, 08:59 AM
I was more curious to see how the new 0.11u R430 performed since this chip should be a worthy competitor for the 6800NU.
You Italian neighbours are soooooo funny sometimes... :lol2:
Daneel Olivaw
12-02-04, 03:24 PM
Good going NVidia. I'm glad they're not releasing a half-assed product again. (though I love my 5900)
superklye
12-02-04, 05:18 PM
So is the next nVIDIA series, 7xxx cards, going to be for DX Next or what? I really hope we aren't going to have a THIRD DX9 series card...
tristancarton
12-02-04, 06:03 PM
no big deal if they canned it as long as it was just a small incremental core/memory bump. (now if they got the could bump the core to 500 or so on a different process then i would say they should have launched it. but as of right now. no big deal. they have sli.)
The x850 is nothing more than a core revision adjust to allow higher yields. I'm surprised ATi felt the need to change the name of the chip. The X800 was already able to reach 600MHz with air cooling. I was more curious to see how the new 0.11u R430 performed since this chip should be a worthy competitor for the 6800NU.
yep. btw anandtech has the x800xl in the x850 review.
qballshalls2002
12-02-04, 09:58 PM
Nvidia doesn't need an NV48, because they have SLI and more retail avalability for the 6800, 6800gt, and 6800ultra. I cant find any R400's at my local CC, BB, or Compusa.
AthlonXP1800
12-03-04, 12:45 AM
So is the next nVIDIA series, 7xxx cards, going to be for DX Next or what? I really hope we aren't going to have a THIRD DX9 series card...
Here will never going to be DirectX Next or DirectX 10, Microsoft probably will release one more DirectX 9.0d with new revision design for NV5x and R5xx line and then after that will be the end of DirectX we know for 10 years in 2005. Yes I am afraid we will have a THIRD and final DX9 series card we will see.
Microsoft will release Longhorn (64 bit only as Microsoft scrapped 32 bit) beta 1 in February 2005 to testers, it will probably still have DirectX 9 built-in but later in beta 2 it will be replace complete with Longhorn's brand new graphics engine called WGF - Windows Graphics Foundation version 1.0. With the new engine, both ATI and Nvidia will need to write new WGF driver for Longhorn and test on their hardware to see it work and render properly. I think WGF minimum features included cards that are using Shader Model 3 (NV4x, NV5x, R5xx etc) and the NV6x line will be first hardware to be full WGF compliant ever included Shader Model 4.
qballshalls2002
12-03-04, 12:55 AM
Here will never going to be DirectX Next or DirectX 10, Microsoft probably will release one more DirectX 9.0d with new revision design for NV5x and R5xx line and then after that will be the end of DirectX we know for 10 years in 2005. Yes I am afraid we will have a THIRD and final DX9 series card we will see.
Microsoft will release Longhorn (64 bit only as Microsoft scrapped 32 bit) beta 1 in February 2005 to testers, it will probably still have DirectX 9 built-in but later in beta 2 it will be replace complete with Longhorn's brand new graphics engine called WGF - Windows Graphics Foundation version 1.0. With the new engine, both ATI and Nvidia will need to write new WGF driver for Longhorn and test on their hardware to see it work and render properly. I think WGF minimum features included cards that are using Shader Model 3 (NV4x, NV5x, R5xx etc) and the NV6x line will be first hardware to be full WGF compliant ever included Shader Model 4.
Just to add on top of your statement, I believe PCIe will also be required to run WGF.
AthlonXP1800
12-03-04, 03:24 AM
Just to add on top of your statement, I believe PCIe will also be required to run WGF.
Indeed PCIe and 64 bit Windows version are important keys PC specification requirement for Longhorn. (xmasmile)
superklye
12-03-04, 04:03 AM
Here will never going to be DirectX Next or DirectX 10, Microsoft probably will release one more DirectX 9.0d with new revision design for NV5x and R5xx line and then after that will be the end of DirectX we know for 10 years in 2005. Yes I am afraid we will have a THIRD and final DX9 series card we will see.
Microsoft will release Longhorn (64 bit only as Microsoft scrapped 32 bit) beta 1 in February 2005 to testers, it will probably still have DirectX 9 built-in but later in beta 2 it will be replace complete with Longhorn's brand new graphics engine called WGF - Windows Graphics Foundation version 1.0. With the new engine, both ATI and Nvidia will need to write new WGF driver for Longhorn and test on their hardware to see it work and render properly. I think WGF minimum features included cards that are using Shader Model 3 (NV4x, NV5x, R5xx etc) and the NV6x line will be first hardware to be full WGF compliant ever included Shader Model 4.
Oh, okay...wow. Well, thanks for the info :)
So is the next nVIDIA series, 7xxx cards, going to be for DX Next or what? I really hope we aren't going to have a THIRD DX9 series card...
I dont think nv50 or r5xx will be wgf compatible.
probably ATi will do sumthin like SM3.0 "b" or sumthin
but they will be only DX9.0c cards.
coldpower27
12-04-04, 11:08 AM
Interesting Stuff :)
Megadrive
12-04-04, 06:19 PM
some speculation:
hmmm. Maybe Nvidia has seen ATI R520 and/or the more advanced R500 (for Xbox 2?) and knows that ATI's next, next gen graphics part, the R600, will be killer. the NV50 would have to be facing the R600 in the early 2006 timeframe. so maybe Nvidia is changing their roadmap. maybe Nvidia is accelerating NV60 design. or will simply make what would be NV55, the NV50, or whatever. remember both Nvidia and ATI have at least 3 GPU design teams each and are always working on several generations of chips at the same time.
Nvidia has, so far, been shut out of the nextgen game consoles. ATI has 2 of the 3 locked up (MS, Nintendo) and Sony has, so far, done their own graphics in-house. Nvidia needs some breakout technology or breakout deal (maybe Sony?) to follow-up the sucessful NV4x / GeForce 6x series.
It'll be fun to see what Nvidia does, they're a survivor. remember the disasters that were NV1 (Diamond Edge 3D card) and NV2 (for Sega) in 1995-1996? They bounced back with Riva128 (NV3) and TNT (NV4) then TNT2 (NV5) and GeForce (NV10) very nicely. And more recently, Nvidia bounced back very well from the NV3x / GeForceFX semi-disaster
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