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Vanzagar
12-04-04, 12:18 AM
At first I was thinking get the nForce4 board and a 6800gt now and another later for use with SLI... am now thinking it may be a bit wiser to wait a bit and see how the SLI works out also I have no idea when 6800gt PCIe is arriving. so for now what do you think about this for best bang for buck rig with the potential for future upgrades... if you have better prices or ideas please let me know...

1. CPU =$187: Athlon 64 3200 939pin (can someone please explain the difference between Athlon 64 3200 939pin and Athlon 64 3200 90nm 939pin... which would I need for mobo selected in #2... URL= http://www.pricewatch.com/ under computer and CPU)

2. Mobo ~ $220: A8N-SLI Deluxe nForce4 SLI ( http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli-d/overview.htm)

3. Memory = $250; 1GB DDR PC3200 CL=3 NON-ECC UNBUFFERED (from http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.asp?Mfr%2BProductline=ASUS%2B+Motherboar ds&mfr=ASUS&cat=&model=A8V+Deluxe&submit=Go)
Not sure about the memory can someone help me out here... is there something more suited and less costly

4. Video card (for now) = $179 - GeForce 6600 GT 128MB (with is faster this or $145 - GeForce 6600 256MB, URL= http://www.pricewatch.com/ under computer and Vid cards)

5. Hard Drive = $97: Maxtor - Serial ATA 200GB (URL= http://www.pricewatch.com/ under computer and Vid cards).
What is the fastest HD drive out there at reasonable prices. I hear good things about Raptor, are they reliable and easy to exchange if problems occur)... would like to have my fastest as c:\ for games then a EDI 80GB for backup ghosting...

I have a 450W power supply, good case and monitor so this should be about it...

I think this system should give about 70-80 fps for counter strike source playing at 1024x768 with AA/AF turned on? Anyone disagree...

Then maybe I'll wait for two 6800Gts or 2 ultras to drop in price or even next gen cards 7800GT?? Then get 2 and run SLI once the bugs are worked out and they have dropped in price. Then sell my 6600gt on ebay. Am also wondering how hot my room would get with 2 6800gt's cause of all the power they consume. I'll have 2 6800gt's with 4 hard drives, wonder if 450W power supply would be enough for that...

That way I got good gaming rig now at reasonable price and can upgrade to very hot machine in 12-18 months...

Please let me know if you think this is a bad strategy or have any comments or suggestions. Thanks in advance...

rhuala

MUYA
12-04-04, 12:20 AM
Kick major Butt is all i can say. When ya get a SLI stup gonna kick even harder!!!! :D

I ouldn't worry about room temperature with two 6800 Ultras in that rig. :D

Maybe you need an air con thing that Jaks has a thread about. You can read the review froma lin on the front page or archives of the news as I have liinked to many.

shoes
12-04-04, 06:42 AM
looks fine. i'm going NF4/ single 6800 ultra or better, and a644000+ all mildly oveclocked. i figure if I keep the most current card and processor in my box (and clock both) i will be close enough to SLI and have an edge with stability overall.

Bottle
12-04-04, 07:54 AM
A bit more expensive, but you might want to try the new Maxtor SATA DiamondMax 10 with 16Mb buffer. The extra 8Mb of buffer apparently makes a difference....

saturnotaku
12-04-04, 09:13 AM
1. CPU =$187: Athlon 64 3200 939pin (can someone please explain the difference between Athlon 64 3200 939pin and Athlon 64 3200 90nm 939pin... which would I need for mobo selected in #2... URL= http://www.pricewatch.com/ under computer and CPU)

The first CPU you list is probably a 130 nm processor. Those typically don't overclock as well the 90 nm parts, which is what I would recommend.

3. Memory = $250; 1GB DDR PC3200 CL=3 NON-ECC UNBUFFERED (from http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.asp?Mfr%2BProductline=ASUS%2B+Motherboar ds&mfr=ASUS&cat=&model=A8V+Deluxe&submit=Go)
Not sure about the memory can someone help me out here... is there something more suited and less costly

For the Athlon 64 you want as low a latency memory as you can get. CL3 only cuts it when you're dealing with very high overclocks. G.Skill, OCZ and Crucial Ballistix would be better choices overall in the same price range (or less).

4. Video card (for now) = $179 - GeForce 6600 GT 128MB (with is faster this or $145 - GeForce 6600 256MB, URL= http://www.pricewatch.com/ under computer and Vid cards)

Don't fall into the trap of more video memory making a card better. The 6600 GT will be faster.

marqmajere
12-04-04, 02:29 PM
Now would it be better to buy two 6600GT's and run them in SLI or a single 6800GT in terms of gaming?

shoes
12-05-04, 12:22 PM
In theory two 6600GT's, but theory has yet to come to fluition in so far as how a PC with SLI works from day to day (with daily usage and potential problems with this setup) and especially with game profiles. I expect to see growing pains with this setup to the extent that people have some real problems for quite some time. It will certainly be interesting to see how these setups run.

CaptNKILL
12-05-04, 12:52 PM
edit: nevermind:p

Rakeesh
12-05-04, 01:24 PM
I think you can do better with some of those components. I went with a DDR2 motherboard and I got 1 gig of PC4200 memory for $200 (two sticks of 512MB at $99 each.) The memory even comes with a lifetime warranty and fry's electronics will allow me to exchange it in store at zero cost to me forever (save for a quick 10 mile drive.) It's generic memory made by liteon (who happens to make the memory chips for other name brand memory dimms though,) but the warranty option pretty much guarentees that I wont have problems (I can just keep exchanging forever it until I get good memory if it does)

You are getting a good video card at the right price though, with the research I have done over the last few days I would say that the geforce 6600GT 128 is hands down the best way to go right now, it supports all of the same features as the $500 cards and it is only about 10 percent slower if you run all of your games in 1024x768 with 4xfsaa 4xani.

Something tells me that by the time this card is too slow to run any games, the $500 cards will also be a thing of the past because there will be some new 3d feature that they don't support, in which case you can just jump ship to the new mainstream card. If you don't believe me, take the radeon 9800 for example. Only 8 months ago it was $500, and it doesn't support Shaders 3.0. The $179 GF6600GT does, and it also outperforms that card in most games.

Also you might try looking around for a better deal on a hard disk. I bought a 160 gigger for $26.

FastM
12-05-04, 07:53 PM
In theory two 6600GT's, but theory has yet to come to fluition in so far as how a PC with SLI works from day to day (with daily usage and potential problems with this setup) and especially with game profiles. I expect to see growing pains with this setup to the extent that people have some real problems for quite some time. It will certainly be interesting to see how these setups run.

In all the benchmarks iv have seen the single 6800GT is always a little faster than 2x6600GT's

jAkUp
12-05-04, 11:28 PM
Im curious how OC'ing would work.... would you OC the cards individually, or when you set a clock, it syncs both of them?

shoes
12-06-04, 01:25 AM
In all the benchmarks iv have seen the single 6800GT is always a little faster than 2x6600GT's

that may be true. i was actually guessing. so my 'in theory' really needs to be changed to 'in theory SLI should be much faster if you use top of the line cards'. i don't scour benchmarks like i once did so if you know where the test was/is that show 2x6600GT's were slower than a single 6800GT (perhaps you meant against a single 6800 ultra), that would be cool. i would like to see methods used for testing.

FastM
12-06-04, 01:45 AM
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2258&p=4

This is one review, but if memory serves me well i know iv'e seen at least 2 others with similar results.

shoes
12-06-04, 03:22 AM
Thanks for the link. Looks like you were right. Hard to believe a single 6800GT would outperform it, but...certainly gives how I want to run my power rig some hope to compete with the ones that do go SLI (by me running the single best card). I'm would bet that most won't be able to afford 2x of the best cards at all times in SLI. I would think about only 5% will be able to do that, if not less.

_From the article

The GeForce 6600GT is the prime candidate for the SLI poster child as it is the most affordable card with SLI support from NVIDIA. Unfortunately our tests here today are more geared towards the higher end cards as the 6600GT, even in SLI mode, is still generally outperformed by a single 6800GT