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Chazam
12-06-04, 09:03 AM
Hi there, I'm new here. :D
I recently ordered a Radeon 9700 Pro from www.planetmicro.co.uk to replace my ageing GF3 and it's taken them ages to process the order and dispatch the card.
I cancelled the order and saw that komplett (http://Komplett.co.uk) were going to get some 6600 (non GT) AGP's (http://komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=305561&cks=SER) in stock so I've ordered one.
i've got a few questions about the card to ask so here goe's

1. Will the 6600 AGP be any faster/better than the 9700 Pro?

2. I'm running an Athlon XP 2100+ on an ePox 8RGA+ motherboard with 512Mb's pc 2700. Will my 2100+ be much of a bottleneck to the 6600?

3. Could someone point me to some 6600 (non GT) reviews/benchmarks. everytime i search google all i seem to get are 6600 GT reviews. (I've already seen the Gigabyte Gf 6600 (http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/gigabyte_6600/index.shtml) review here! :)

Thanks for looking!

Salamandar
12-06-04, 09:08 AM
1- The 6600 Is faster than 9800 Pro so yes, 6600 GT is way faster than 9700 Pro.

2- Upgrading the CPU would be a good idea but if you can't then no worries the 6600 GT will work better than 9700 pro in your machine, yet it won't show it's glory.

3- errr wait I thought you were saying 6600 GT !!!

Chazam
12-06-04, 09:13 AM
I'm just geting the standard 6600.
Is it still better? :o

Edge
12-06-04, 09:31 AM
Well, a 6600 would be better than a 9700 in almost every way (at worst it might be the same speed in some games, at best it would probably b 50% faster in others, and have a lower hit from AA/Aniso), but for the extra price the gt version is definatly a better buy. I'd recommend getting this card instead ;) : http://komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=305051&cks=SER

Still, a 6600 would be a good match for the xp2100. You should be able to turn on AA/Aniso without any problems at 1024x768 resolution, and I can't think of any future games that would really be a problem for the card (well, MAYBE Unreal Engine 3, but that's a ways off).

Chazam
12-06-04, 09:43 AM
Thanks Edge.
I would get the GT but the cash is coming from an Xmas prezzie.

Now what should i do with the GF3? Should i eBay it or keep it just in case?
Gf3 1 (http://homepage.mac.com/charlesclout/pics/gf3.jpg)
Gf3 2 (http://homepage.mac.com/charlesclout/pics/gf32.jpg)
It's a nvidia reference board afaik. Is it worth anything? ;)

mustrum
12-06-04, 10:00 AM
Better most likely but upgrading from a 9700 PRO to a 6600 wont give ya a huge performance boost for sure.

msxyz
12-06-04, 11:04 AM
Digit Life made one of their usual huge round-ups recently. They had both a 6600 (clocked at 300 / 550) and a 9800 non-pro (clocked at 325MHz / 580 MHz which is almost the same frequency of a 9700Pro). They're neck to neck in many situations.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/index0410.html

Chazam
12-07-04, 02:56 AM
Thanks man. That's a great read! (rudolf)

dan2097
12-08-04, 07:42 PM
The 9700 pro is generally faster than the 6600... Its the 6600GT thats faster than the 9800 pro. The 6600 is clocked ALOT lower. It depends a lot on the game. In older games with ~double the memory bandwidth the 9700 pro can beat the 6600nu by a large margin. In core limited games the 6600 catchs up. The 6600nu will never own the 9700 pro except maybe in doom3.

adpr 02
12-08-04, 10:19 PM
remember, boys. you can OC the core 100% itself. that means from 300 to 600.

the memory also OCs a lot especially if it is DDR3. other than that it is the exact same card so you should expect high improvements on those clocks. so, know what you're buying and shop well.

as for me, I am awaiting delivery of my 6600GT. I hope it OC"s lots. cya for now.

amenx
12-09-04, 04:22 AM
I thought the AGP version of the 6600 is only being released as a GT. Its the PCI versions that give you the choice of either plain 6600 or GT.

Chazam
12-09-04, 04:46 AM
I've had another blow....
Komplett changed their due date to the 2nd of January 2005 so i cancelled the order. :(

Problem is i folded and have a nice 6600GT on the way! (xmasgrin)
It's this (http://ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=81344) one. they have 170 in stock so i ordered! (they had 172 when i ordered)

Thanks for all the advice people, even tho im not getting the 6600 (non gt) now!

(xmassign)

Lfctony
12-09-04, 05:58 AM
Nice card mate, really decent price as well. (xmasmile)

msxyz
12-09-04, 06:26 AM
remember, boys. you can OC the core 100% itself. that means from 300 to 600.

the memory also OCs a lot especially if it is DDR3. other than that it is the exact same card so you should expect high improvements on those clocks. so, know what you're buying and shop well.

as for me, I am awaiting delivery of my 6600GT. I hope it OC"s lots. cya for now.It seems that you made some confusion.

Vanilla 6600s use 3.6nS TSOP RAM. If you're luck you can rise the operational frequency up to 320-330 MHz. The core itself will go a little higher since it's the same of a 6600GT, albeit the smaller dissipator will probably limit it aroud 400-450MHz.

It's only the 6600GT that uses DDR3.

Some OEM are planning to release also vanilla 6600 paired with an AGP bridge in order to have a product in the sub-$200 market to push against the 9600XT. I believe the taiwanese manufacturer Albatron showcased one of these cards recently.

Fahim
12-10-04, 01:21 PM
I think the 9700 PRO would be faster. 6600 is a 128-bit only card...........also it is not a GT.