World of Warcraff or EverQuest 2

[thunderhippo]

Edited..

I tried ChrisRay's little cube map tweak and eq2(THANX DOOD) is a lot more fun to play now.
I was just really frustrated with spending all my time changing display settings and no time playing the actual game.

On that note.. they are both Great games.. But both are very different. You cant really compare one to the other since they are so much different in approach and style.

You can compare the people that each game draws though. I have noticed that EQ2 caters more towards mature, older gamers and WOW draws the counterstrike crowd. By counterstrike i mean you can hardly understand what any of them are saying with all the teh, lol, L33t, rofl, r0xxorz etc getting said everywhere. Plus it seems like the game should have been called World of linen or linencraft since for the first 15 levels that is all you hear about in the chat. linen this, linen that..

So i say if you have the money, get both! (xmassign2

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Obviously everyone is a fan boy trying to defend his bought game , for exception of people who own both retail games , Beta doesn't count. (snowlol)

[Skrot]

Obviously everyone is a fan boy trying to defend his bought game , for exception of people who own both retail games , Beta doesn't count. (snowlol)I'm not trying to defend it, I'm trying to pimp it :). WoW doesn't need me defending it.

[lognoronon]

I own both and I was in the EQ 2 beta for a few months. After playing both now for a while I can say without a doubt that WOW is more fun. Graphics are important oviously but EQ 2 lacks good artwork. Blizzard more than makes up for the less advanced engine with the artwork though. EQ 2 looks very very bland and just bleh while WOW is very colorful and just grabs your attention. Also EQ 2 feels like a job just like EQ 1 does. WOW does not feel like a job for me and is way more fun. The biggest gripe I have with EQ 2 other than the fact that it runs like total ass yet does not look the part is the fact that the classes are not diverse enough. They took balance too far and there is just not enough variety with the classes. Even though WOW does not have as many classes as EQ 2 does you do not feel like you are playing a watered down version of another class ect ect. I decided to cancel my EQ 2 account and go full force with WOW as I trust Blizzard far more than I can ever trust SOE. I already see things creeping through into EQ 2 that make me say "I guess after all this time SOE still has not learned".

Just so folks know I have some time with
Ultima online
EQ 1 and 2
Asherons Call 1 and 2
Anarchy Online (right at launch unfortunately)
Shadowbane
SWG
Planetside
WOW

Out of all those WOW looks the most promising to me. Blizzard knows how to do quality games. SOE just finds a cash cow and runs it into the ground.

[Sgt_Pitt]

go back to page 3 and take a look at tyr-sogs 1st picture, that should just about sum it all up, actually ill post it again for those who missed it


I know most of here are gfx junkies and love kool effects, this pic just sums it all up, look at that lighting

http://www.slothyville.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10003/EQ2_000014.jpg

[vampireuk]

I hate you damn yanks! :p

I've had WOW preordered for months now and I'm still waiting for the cd just to get into the final beta (which they have not yet even started). The only plus is that when us Brits get the game we will be on realms with new players too so we won't be lagging behind.

[Sorrow]

sorry, but WoW is not built for the future, everything is has is something ripped off from prior MMORPGs, whereas EQ2 is inventing new ways to play the game, and to increase player interactivity. WoW's graphics ARE dated, EQ2's characters have more polygons in their hands than WoW does in their WHOLE character model. WoW's shading resembles that of EQ1 quality. Spells aren't big and awesome looking, even EQLive had that. Bump mapping is nowhere in site in WoW, celestial phases of the moon in EQ2...WoW has that? where? Heat shimmer in EQ2 to make heat in deserts and fire spells / effects look realistic; don't see that in WoW. When it rains in EQ2, especially in commonlands, the ground becomes shiny and wet looking and stone giants begin to shine because of the wetness, footsteps change to the sound of walking in mud. Sorry if I come off as mean and arguementative, but it's impossible to even COMPARE EQ2's graphics to WoW's. Maybe compare WoW's to EQLive's (EQ1) post-luclin graphics...lol

Did I mention that when you cast spells near or in water, you can see the reflection of the spells in the water? And when swimming in the ocean, patches of white mist surround you when you're swimming. Let's not forget EQ2's lip-synced voice-overs.

I do like WoW's graphics, given the engine they had, but when you look at that, and then go to say...Thundering Steppes or somewhere in Qeynos in EQ2, it definetely grabs my attention more than WoW's cities / zones do. I wish EQ2 had more open zones though :)

really quick, here's what im talking about.

alot of polygons...
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=9203

err, 100?
http://img92.exs.cx/img92/133/3840.jpg

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You will get laugh from this
Source (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33795954)

[Tyr-Sog]

Ok guys, I'm having a more serious issue.

Performance, even with WOW and my 6800gt.

Frequenting Rage3d I reading through some of their WOW threads I noticed that a lot of the X800XT guys saying that they are getting 50 - 75fps at 1600x1200, 6x aa, 16af and all in game sliders maxed.

Well, if I run my GT at 1280x1064, 6xS aa, 16xaf, most sliders all the way up(not all mind you) I ws averaging 15-20fps.

Which worries me, because I'm not getting the best of performance from eq2.

Can any of you guys playing wow use fraps and just kind of give me an estimate, at max settings at that resolution pllease? Thanks.

[Tyr-Sog]

go back to page 3 and take a look at tyr-sogs 1st picture, that should just about sum it all up, actually ill post it again for those who missed it


I know most of here are gfx junkies and love kool effects, this pic just sums it all up, look at that lighting

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Yeah, in all honesty it is truly the first game that I have played that I personally call a true next generation game. The detail(which IMO creats atmosphere) is amazing. More so then Doom3(i haven't played HL2, don't plan on to, so won't go there).

Thats not taking anything away from wow, it's beautiful, it's just not in eq2 league technically.

and like you said, the majority of us are here with 300-$600 graphic cards because we graphic *****s. lol

[Ninjaman09]

sorry, but WoW is not built for the future, everything is has is something ripped off from prior MMORPGs, whereas EQ2 is inventing new ways to play the game, and to increase player interactivity. WoW's graphics ARE dated, EQ2's characters have more polygons in their hands than WoW does in their WHOLE character model. WoW's shading resembles that of EQ1 quality. Spells aren't big and awesome looking, even EQLive had that. Bump mapping is nowhere in site in WoW, celestial phases of the moon in EQ2...WoW has that? where? Heat shimmer in EQ2 to make heat in deserts and fire spells / effects look realistic; don't see that in WoW. When it rains in EQ2, especially in commonlands, the ground becomes shiny and wet looking and stone giants begin to shine because of the wetness, footsteps change to the sound of walking in mud. Sorry if I come off as mean and arguementative, but it's impossible to even COMPARE EQ2's graphics to WoW's. Maybe compare WoW's to EQLive's (EQ1) post-luclin graphics...lol
Who cares? I stop paying attention to how the graphics look after the first couple of hours. The quality of the artwork in EQ2 is awful and no amount of advanced lighting or higher-polycount models can hide the fact that Blizzard just has far more talented artists.

The second screenshot you took is retarded. There is no reason to have the camera zoomed up that close to a creature and the game never looks like that. It was taken with the intent to be used in misleading way. World of Warcraft is quite breathtaking graphically, and if you say otherwise you simply haven't played it. I've played both games and EQ2 is very ugly to look at to me, even with all the pretty lights and bumpmaps.

Of course, the only thing that matters is gameplay, and WoW is very fun. I never played EQ2 for more than like 45 minutes so I can't comment there. Apparently those of you putting WoW down have not played it for more than 45 minutes either. There is a very complex trade, crafting, and grouping system with full support for PvP rewards in the making. The world the game takes place in is imaginative and full of life and character. Gameplay strongly emphasizes teamwork and interaction with players, and the quest system is an awesome way to take the "XP grind" out of the game, especially when many of the quests have you doing lots of different things. I've reached level 30 with my Rogue and I haven't felt that the game is repetitious at all. It's extremely fun and totally worth the money.

[0rk.p0rk]

EQ2 is the biggest grind I have ever played. At least in WoW the story is actually pretty damn good. I'm sorry, but bland graphics with old gameplay that makes you endure the game rather than enjoy it is a no-no in my book. WoW all the way.

[Tyr-Sog]

The second screenshot you took is retarded. There is no reason to have the camera zoomed up that close to a creature and the game never looks like that. It was taken with the intent to be used in misleading way. World of Warcraft is quite breathtaking graphically, and if you say otherwise you simply haven't played it. I've played both games and EQ2 is very ugly to look at to me, even with all the pretty lights and bumpmaps.




Same deal with this published review from a popular site. Now if this isn't subliminal biaism, I don't know what it. lol

http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/572/572447p6.html

Look at them comparison shots. :lame:

[Ninjaman09]

...

In the end, however, a game's art design has to win out over mere technical brilliance.
I agree with this entirely.

I didn't think either screen looked bad.

[Tyr-Sog]

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I thought they looked pretty good. That isn't a review you linked either, just a quick blurb about the graphic engines. I thought it was pretty accurate.


lol, yeah, lets find the most lush, colorful spot and pose for a picture without the interface displayed and with the graphic sliders cranked to the right. While not even giving second though about turning on on any of the water effects or for that matter and of the higher graphic option in eq. Not to mention just a random screen shot in a spot you'd never even need to go. Real accurate comparison there.

[Ninjaman09]

Well, to be honest, that wasn't all that spectacular of a screenshot from World of Warcraft. There are plenty of areas in the game that are a lot more impressive looking than that. Notably, the entrance to Stormwind City or the Undercity. I realize the EQ 2 shot wasn't all that great but to be honest I thought it was pretty representative of what you see in the game. "Dull" is the word I would use to best describe the artwork in EQ2.

[vampireuk]

From the rage link

There is essentially nothing to do but fight, accept quests, and develop your character.

Wow who would have expected that? :eek:

[Sorrow]

I can see EQ2 being still one of the top MMORPGs graphically, whereas WoW, well, it's gonna fall behind when Vanguard and Elder Scrolls IV comes out :D

[vampireuk]

Somebody sounds like a fanboy...

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Ok guys, I'm having a more serious issue.

Performance, even with WOW and my 6800gt.

Frequenting Rage3d I reading through some of their WOW threads I noticed that a lot of the X800XT guys saying that they are getting 50 - 75fps at 1600x1200, 6x aa, 16af and all in game sliders maxed.

Well, if I run my GT at 1280x1064, 6xS aa, 16xaf, most sliders all the way up(not all mind you) I ws averaging 15-20fps.

Which worries me, because I'm not getting the best of performance from eq2.

Can any of you guys playing wow use fraps and just kind of give me an estimate, at max settings at that resolution pllease? Thanks.

Maybe becouse Nvidia doesn't have a real 6xAA the one you can get is throu RivaTuner and its not suppose to be used in games it cuts your FPS by ten fold , use 4xAA ! all other modes are especialy SuperSample are playable only on very outdated games.

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Well, to be honest, that wasn't all that spectacular of a screenshot from World of Warcraft. There are plenty of areas in the game that are a lot more impressive looking than that. Notably, the entrance to Stormwind City or the Undercity. I realize the EQ 2 shot wasn't all that great but to be honest I thought it was pretty representative of what you see in the game. "Dull" is the word I would use to best describe the artwork in EQ2.

Becouse both games are completely different EQ2 was made to look more realistic with real proportional character bodys (offcourse its still a game and doesn't look real neither does HalfLife2 ), not WoW Fantazy over colored elefant ears elfs , not that i don't like Fantasy or something , but calling one bad art becouse its not cartoonish toon and another discovery of America is plain wrong and bias. If you don't like plain colored Hummer and prefer your Ten color Ferrari does that make Hummer are crap ? don't think so.

[lognoronon]

An MMORPG is meant to be played for a long time. That means you want good gameplay and most importantly fun gameplay. I have about 3 months time under my belt with EQ 2 including beta and it gets boring and just "feels" like too much of a grind. The artwork as was said before is just plain dull. Sure the engine is more techically advanced than WOW but that doesnt help with the crappy artwork. The game runs like crap and from a purely artistic standpoint is crap. It's obvious that blizzard has more talented artists since the game is so technically inferior yet somehow looks better. Screenshots just don't do it justice. You have to play the game to really get a feel for it. As I said before EQ 2 feels too much like a job like EQ 1 does now. WOW never ends up feeling like a job and I play as a priest which is the hardest class to play and I still like it better than any of the watered down way beyond being balanced and boring classes of EQ 2.

[Tyr-Sog]

I'm still trying to figure out how come when I run wow @ 1280 x1064, 4xaa, 16x af, all sliders max I'm only getting 15-20 fps while similar systems with a X800XT are getting 50-75fps at high resolutions.

[lognoronon]

If you do have all the sliders to the max that would explain why you are having problems. One of the sliders is for the terrain viewing distance. If it's maxed out it will destroy your performance big time and it's in no way even needed. I can see far and I only have it halfway.

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If you do have all the sliders to the max that would explain why you are having problems. One of the sliders is for the terrain viewing distance. If it's maxed out it will destroy your performance big time and it's in no way even needed. I can see far and I only have it halfway.

Yeah but he claims X800 gets 5x performance , which is impossible with everything on , unleas it was benchmarked on different locations , id like to see X800 geting 5x FPS :eek: