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vampireuk

12-20-04, 12:10 PM

No offense, If you go around playing a mmorpg solo. You have no real business playing the game anyway. Teamwork, Friendship, and strategies are required to win in a mmorpg

I believe this should really be optional for the most part, you should be able to complete the game if you wish by yourself. Of course the advantages to teaming up with people are taking on stronger beasts and getting better drops. Personally once I'm playing the damn game I'll just be blacksmithing away like crazy :D

ChrisRay

12-20-04, 07:09 PM

I believe this should really be optional for the most part, you should be able to complete the game if you wish by yourself. Of course the advantages to teaming up with people are taking on stronger beasts and getting better drops. Personally once I'm playing the damn game I'll just be blacksmithing away like crazy :D

Well Soloing really is an option in most modern MMORPGs, But you shouldnt be able to solo some content thats epic ((For instance dragons))

But yes most modern mmorpgs have no excuse not to provide solo content, EQ 2 and WoW have paved the way to the expectations we will have for mmorpg content in the future.

vampireuk

12-20-04, 07:27 PM

Well Soloing really is an option in most modern MMORPGs, But you shouldnt be able to solo some content thats epic ((For instance dragons))

But yes most modern mmorpgs have no excuse not to provide solo content, EQ 2 and WoW have paved the way to the expectations we will have for mmorpg content in the future.

You are right there, items and creatures that are extremely powerful should only be able to be found when you are in a group but the main quest as a whole should always be able to be completed with solo :cool:

Tyr-Sog

12-20-04, 08:41 PM

Skrot

12-21-04, 01:58 AM

I've soloed all the way up to lvl 19 dwarf priest in WOW. I've talked to many 30-35 lvl players in the game that said they soloed up until those lvls and said the game was easy up until that point. Tends to get boring IMO, no one needs to group, so no one does. You don't need to group to kill creatures your own level, no. But it's entirely wrong that no one groups together. Yes, soloing is boring. Grouping is fun. So group!

By the way, I'd enjoy seeing someone solo the player level 60 instanced elite dungeons. If they can do it, then damn, they've got one pimp character :)

The pentalty for dying in WoW is basically monetary only. When you die, your armor and weapons lose about 10% durability. If you resurrect at the spirit healer, it's 25% or so and also some resurrection sickness. It's perfect. I don't like to die, but when it happens it doesn't make me feel like I've wasted hours of work or anything like that (like EQ was, I think).

What do you do in the end-game of EQ2 anyway?

nrdstrm

12-21-04, 02:52 AM

BTW, SOE is supposed to be introducing alot more solo content in the next big patch. Also on the horizon for late next year is Vanguard : Saga of Heros. It is by Sigil Games. Basically, Sigil is a new company made up of a bunch of people that made the original EQ.I've been interested for a while in this and talked to one of the Devs on the game the other day at work (he was getting his computer fixed). Said I will get into the ealy beta (yeah). It's gonna be fun to see some of the new MMO's at E3 this year too (Vanguard, D&D Online, Middle Earth Online).
Nrdstrm

ChrisRay

12-21-04, 07:58 AM

You are right there, items and creatures that are extremely powerful should only be able to be found when you are in a group but the main quest as a whole should always be able to be completed with solo :cool:

What Main Quest? *Confused* the entire games a giant quest ;)

Ninjaman09

12-21-04, 09:34 AM

I've soloed all the way up to lvl 19 dwarf priest in WOW. I've talked to many 30-35 lvl players in the game that said they soloed up until those lvls and said the game was easy up until that point. Tends to get boring IMO, no one needs to group, so no one does. I've ran in to a few mobs when traveling that could have used a group to take down but in those couple of times I couldn't get anything together. I strarted on the crafting part of the game. Tailoring is pretty simple and I took on Herbalism and aside from going around and collecting planets, I haven't found a use for it. Thats at lvl 110. I also think there should be some pentaly for dieing, allbeit not as harsh as eq2s. I think a pentality would overall creat an atmosphere for more careful play. Community tends to be a bit on the childish side. Names like Pimpdaddy, Playboy, etc are frequent if thats any indication lol. Overall I feel like I'm playing a platformer with some mmo aspects.

Wow. I'm blown away. You made it all the way to level 19 and you STILL don't know how to play the game. Since you obviously didn't bother reading the manual or asking other players, you shouldn't be surprised that you haven't found a use for your Herbalism skill - it's a GATHERING profession. Since you didn't take an associated CRAFTING profession (Alchemy or Enchanting in this case) you will find no use for herbalism, except to sell at the Auction House maybe. Level 110 is NOT high for herbalism.

The penalty for death was removed for several reasons. It was tested in Beta and found to be no fun. Remember, WoW tries to appeal to the CASUAL gamer, not the 24-7 powergaming freaks.

Any level 30-35 player who said he solo'd to his level is either lying, or spent his time grinding mobs and didn't do any quests. It is impossible (not difficult, impossible) to solo an instanced dungeon (the most rewarding dungeons), and most of the regular quests after level 15 involve taking on large groups of monsters or elite bosses. I'm level 34 now, and I haven't solo'd since my mid-teens. I group as much as I can, am active in my guild, and spend a lot of time interacting with other players.

Your comment about the community is ridiculous. Of course there are a few players who have stupid names, every MMORPG is like that. You forgot to mention that these people are in the VAST minority. I have only run into one or two of these players in my entire time playing WoW, and if I see them it's not at all difficult to /ignore them. Almost every player I've run into was very helpful, friendly, and mature.

"All the way up to 19" really made me laugh. The pace of leveling in the game is such that level 19 isn't difficult to achieve at all. I got my character to 19 in 3 days, and that was in 5-6 hour sessions.

You obviously know very little about the game or are being intentionally dishonest. Absolutely nothing you said is representative of the game in any way. Either you haven't played the game at all and are making it all up, or you have played the game and are so blatantly absent-minded that you failed to understand even the most basic requisites of gameplay. No matter which it is, you are not at all in any position to be commenting on the game. This is not "fanboy-ism" on my part - what you said is completely ridiculous. It's not at all different from saying this:

"I've played all the way to the 3rd level in Half-Life 2, and so far I'm pretty disappointed. I've talked to people who played all the way to the 5th level and they say that the game's really boring and easy. I've only run into a few enemies that even require guns to shoot, I can kill almost everything with just my crowbar. The gravity gun is OK I guess but I don't see the point in picking up boxes and throwing them around. I mean, since you can't use large objects as a shield or sharp objects as weapons, what's the point? I got the boat, but I can't figure out what to do with it. I've been pushing it all the way through the level but the level's just too big to keep pushing the darn thing! If you could actually drive it it'd be better. Overall, this game just feels like a realtime strategy with some racing sim elements. I'd rather be playing Doom 3."

killahsin

12-21-04, 10:33 AM

it is not impossible to solo to that level, you can infact solo all the way to cap via questing if you wish.

Sorrow

12-21-04, 11:08 AM

You can solo in EQ2 also...I've soloed about 15 of my 32 levels, ranging from lvl 12 to lvl 30, it's not hard at all. Xp is decent and it's safe, no having to do Mission Impossible-style shard recoveries in Runnyeye heh. EQ2 wil also be introducing a lot more solo content in today's patch.

vampireuk

12-21-04, 11:12 AM

What Main Quest? *Confused* the entire games a giant quest ;)

Bah you know what I meant :p

Tyr-Sog

12-21-04, 11:37 AM

You obviously know very little about the game or are being intentionally dishonest. Absolutely nothing you said is representative of the game in any way. Either you haven't played the game at all and are making it all up, or you have played the game and are so blatantly absent-minded that you failed to understand even the most basic requisites of gameplay. No matter which it is, you are not at all in any position to be commenting on the game. This is not "fanboy-ism" on my part - what you said is completely ridiculous. It's not at all different from saying this:

Well, considering I have the games, this is a open forum, the thread title is" World of Warcraff or EverQuest 2", played both of the games, have some time invested in both games, I'm quit in titled to give my comments on both of these games, reguardless if it hurts your little feelings.

The problem is you're a complete fanboy who hasn't played both and has no opinionated comparison on both games. I't ok, your stock in Blizzard isn't going to drop because I gave my .02$ on an open forum. Stick to your biased prefessional site reviews, that have a night of playing justifying their scores and you'll feel better. :rolleyes:

If it will make you feel any better and stop the temper tantrum. Depending on if EQ2s huge patch release this week(supposly) doesn't fix performance issues I'm going to stick with wow until those fixes are fixed. Tissue?

Ninjaman09

12-21-04, 01:15 PM

Well, considering I have the games, this is a open forum, the thread title is" World of Warcraff or EverQuest 2", played both of the games, have some time invested in both games, I'm quit in titled to give my comments on both of these games, reguardless if it hurts your little feelings.
Wow, what a stupid response. My feelings on the matter have nothing to do with it - your comments were off base and indicative of the fact that you don't have a clue how to play the game, much less any authority to talk about it. Apparently you missed the point, but that doesn't surprise me.
The problem is you're a complete fanboy who hasn't played both and has no opinionated comparison on both games. I't ok, your stock in Blizzard isn't going to drop because I gave my .02$ on an open forum. Stick to your biased prefessional site reviews, that have a night of playing justifying their scores and you'll feel better.
No, I played both games and I like the Blizzard one better. I stated my reasons why already, I don't feel the need to repeat myself. It's not at all "fanboyish" of me to point out gigantic flaws in your post, because you were misrepresenting the game. For example, if I were to say, "Everquest 2 is a First-Person Shooter with Platform Elements", I would be misrepresenting Everquest 2. Now, if I were to say, "When I play Everquest 2 it looks like someone who ate a lot of spinach took a dump on my screen", or "The character models in Everquest 2 look like they were created by an autistic 5-year old", I would be stating my opinion of the game which of course is valid. If you were to say, "I don't like the cartoony graphics of WoW," or "I don't like playing games that are good, so I don't like WoW" it would be fine. But what you posted was just plain retarded, and I felt that I should point that out for those who have not played the game yet.
If it will make you feel any better and stop the temper tantrum. Depending on if EQ2s huge patch release this week(supposly) doesn't fix performance issues I'm going to stick with wow until those fixes are fixed. Tissue?
The only thing I have to cry about is the slight possibility that I'll have to interact with you in the game someday. I'd prefer if you didn't crap up the WoW servers, there's enough stupid noobs running around saying "WH4T D00 1 D00 W1TH TH1S SW0RD!!11!! OMGZ LOLZ KTHXBYE". But then again you probably haven't figured out how to use the chat function yet so I suppose I'm good in that regard. Go to hell? :rolleyes:

it is not impossible to solo to that level, you can infact solo all the way to cap via questing if you wish.
And I didn't say that I was. I said it was impossible to solo an INSTANCED DUNGEON.

Tyr-Sog

12-21-04, 01:52 PM

The above response proves my point on the mentality of maturity content that I've witnessed playing wow. Thanks for proving my point on that fact.

Ninjaman09

12-21-04, 01:57 PM

The above response proves my point on the mentality of maturity content that I've witnessed playing wow. Thanks for proving my point on that fact.
Yes, because my conduct on an unrelated message board is representative of the entire World of Warcraft community.

How disappointing. I was hoping you could come up with some counter-points or attempt to defend your previous statements in some way. Instead you deflect and walk away with your tail between your legs.

Ironic that the guy calling me immature responds with inflammatory remarks and sarcastic smileys. If you don't like it when someone calls you on your bull****, don't post misleading or false information about something. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's always best to keep your mouth shut! :thumbsup:

|MaguS|

12-21-04, 02:01 PM

And I didn't say that I was. I said it was impossible to solo an INSTANCED DUNGEON.

All zones can be instanced in EQ2, it just doesn't create the new instance untill the original or previous version is at max load, only common ones right now are the newbie and teen combat area's. I can solo in Wailing Caves perfectly fine. If you ment instanced zone dedicated for a quest then duh since probably that quest was designed to require a group to accomplish it.

Soloing is ok but not everything in the game (heck I don't believe even 50% of it) should be accesible by it. MMORPG's are mainly about community, soloing is an option but saddly many people have made it a way of life and demand for the entire game to give that option even during times when it shouldn't be possible (aka soloing Epic or Boss mobs).

I personally play EQ and EQ2 for the community, I love grouping and talking to people. It makes the time in the game pass by so much quicker. It just makes the game alot more enjoyable for me.

Ninjaman09

12-21-04, 02:04 PM

All zones can be instanced in EQ2,
Oh good lord in heaven.

IN WORLD OF WARCRAFT, it is impossible to solo INSTANCED DUNGEONS.

|MaguS|

12-21-04, 02:04 PM

Whoops my bad, lol.

Guess thats what I get for skimming the thread instead of actually reading it. :p

Ninjaman09

12-21-04, 02:05 PM

No problem! Most people don't even bother admitting that they weren't really reading the thread. Hats off to you! :D

Didn't mean to snap at you, I just get exasperated talking to morons like the one above.

Tyr-Sog

12-21-04, 02:06 PM

Ironic that the guy calling me immature responds with inflammatory remarks and sarcastic smileys. If you don't like it when someone calls you on your bull****, don't post misleading or false information about something. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's always best to keep your mouth shut! :thumbsup:

lol, keep digging, I've yet to read your comparison on the 2 except for the art of the 2 games. Which is personal preference anyways and can be judge blindly off pictures. So, lets hear it, link your eq2 character while you're at it, im curious how far you got and who you used. It'll be on the data base even if it's been cancelled. Stays there for a few months.

Added rubbish:
Yes, because my conduct on an unrelated message board is representative of the entire World of Warcraft community.

How disappointing. I was hoping you could come up with some counter-points or attempt to defend your previous statements in some way. Instead you deflect and walk away with your tail between your legs.

Yes, for whatever reason you do. On the servers I play on and in comparing the two games the overall maturity levels, eq2 seems to pull the older, more mature crowd. I have yet to witness sale spam, large amounts of off bases chit chat, repeated lfg spam, players acting like idiots, etc in eq2, . I can't say the same about wow. It's just one aspect, deal with it.

Whats there to counter? You've yet to expand on your views of Eq2. I've gave my negative opinions on both games. Funny how you accept one but can't choke down the other. Neither game is perfect dispite what you may think.

|MaguS|

12-21-04, 02:07 PM

No need for name calling, people have there own opinion. Some are dead set on it no matter how much you try to convince them otherwise. I have learned not to argue with Blizzard fans since they all for some reason think everything they release is instant gold...

I personally have not enjoyed a Blizzard title since WarCraft 2.

Ninjaman09

12-21-04, 02:15 PM

lol, keep digging, I've yet to read your comparison on the 2 except for the art of the 2 games.
There you go. This is how we "discuss" things.

Anyway, my opinion of the art is really my only argument against EQ2 as I didn't play it long enough to get a good feel for the game. I'm certainly not paying $30 a month to decide which one I like best, however, and I only have enough time to play one MMORPG anyway, so I went with World of Warcraft.

Which is personal preference anyways
Which I very specifically said, if you'll actually read my post.

So, lets hear it, link your eq2 character while you're at it,
No can do, it was a Beta character. So it's not in the database. As I said before, I didn't like EQ2 at all from playing it for a total of -> 45 minutes <- so I can't really comment on the finer points of the game. I'm not about to spend hours on something that doesn't even interest me in in the first. But since I know so little about EQ2 aside from first impressions, I have nothing more to say about it.

Once again you are missing the point. I wasn't attacking you for not liking WoW or for liking EQ2. The post I responded to was the one in which you made quite a few ridiculous comments about WoW (like how no one ever groups - one of the most ridiculous ones). The only conclusion I could draw is that you have not played the game enough to really understand how it works. That's fine, but you were talking out your ass about it, which was misleading and false.

For your information, it is extremely easy to find a group and meet players who are willing to help you with quests. It's never taken me more than 5-10 minutes to get a 5-person group together for ANY task. You have obviously not participated in any PvP raids, which are an absolute blast. You criticized the Herbalism skill which is specifically designed to be used with the Alchemy profession (which is clearly stated in the manual). There were a few more things you said, but you get the picture. I get very aggravated when people make comments out of ignorance and try to pass themselves off as legitimate.

I have learned not to argue with Blizzard fans since they all for some reason think everything they release is instant gold...

I personally have not enjoyed a Blizzard title since WarCraft 2.
Nothing wrong with that. Read through the thread and tell me where I criticized him for not liking World of Warcraft.

|MaguS|

12-21-04, 02:18 PM

The comment you quoted was not directed at you but more of a generalization that is the Blizzard Community, Even if you are a fan.

Tyr-Sog

12-21-04, 02:30 PM

Once again you are missing the point. I wasn't attacking you for not liking WoW or for liking EQ2. The post I responded to was the one in which you made quite a few ridiculous comments about WoW (like how no one ever groups - one of the most ridiculous ones). The only conclusion I could draw is that you have not played the game enough to really understand how it works. That's fine, but you were talking out your ass about it, which was misleading and false.

For your information, it is extremely easy to find a group and meet players who are willing to help you with quests. It's never taken me more than 5-10 minutes to get a 5-person group together for ANY task. You have obviously not participated in any PvP raids, which are an absolute blast. You criticized the Herbalism skill which is specifically designed to be used with the Alchemy profession (which is clearly stated in the manual). There were a few more things you said, but you get the picture. I get very aggravated when people make comments out of ignorance and try to pass themselves off as legitimate.

Where have I said I disliked WOW. At first I was turned off by it, as I prgressed I found myself liking it dispite the negatives(mind you with both games is distracting) I pointed out. Like I said, I've been finding myself playing wow over eq2 the last week because it's easier to jump in to the game after a late night at work and just craft, gain exp by soloing or just finishing a quest. It's also in comparison to eq2 a very polished, finished game. It plays flawless(although I can't sign in now after this new patch). I'm waiting to make my final opinion on which one to play after SOE releases thier new patch(which was suppose to be today, wasn't).

I don;t play on a PVP server so I have no comment on that aspect of the game. Have been trying to just get a feel for the game without that distraction for now(although dealing with annoying duals when trying to quest). As far as the herbalism issue, it wasn't the trade I was actually putting the most effort in. I donated mos of my time to tailoring(which is making me some nice coin). You're right, I didn't read the manual right off the bat but do when in countering a issue. I did however after writing that first response with herbalism read up on it and inbtween that on your frist post to my post figured out it goes hand in hand with Alchemy. I'm going to unlearn that trade and go to skinning.

Ninjaman09

12-21-04, 02:55 PM

Where have I said I disliked WOW.
You didn't. Hence, I am NOT attacking you for it, since you never said you didn't like it. You don't have to justify why you like/dislike the game to me. For all I care you could hate the game because of the weak avatar customization.

I don;t play on a PVP server so I have no comment on that aspect of the game.
Good point, I do play on a PvP server and I PvP a lot, so I tend to forget that a lot of people play on the Normal servers.
As far as the herbalism issue, it wasn't the trade I was actually putting the most effort in. I donated mos of my time to tailoring(which is making me some nice coin). You're right, I didn't read the manual right off the bat but do when in countering a issue. I did however after writing that first response with herbalism read up on it and inbtween that on your frist post to my post figured out it goes hand in hand with Alchemy. I'm going to unlearn that trade and go to skinning.
Again, fair enough. I was just mad about seeing someone without a whole lot of experience with the game making *ignorant* (re: not stupid) comments about some of the finer points of the game. If you want to find a group, it's pretty easy to get some people together - just use the /1 channel and say something like "LFG [whatever quest]" and you'll find that a lot of people (if a lot of people are in that area) will respond. Grouping, while *technically* not necessary to level, is extremely helpful, fun, and rewarding. For example, the Gnomeregan instance is filled with level 28-33 Elite mobs. There is no way that any solo character could successfully clear the instance. You'd die before you got past the first group. Gnomeregan contains a load of quests and rare item drops that make it extremely worth getting a group together to explore, however, so it is very desirable to get a group together and clear it out. But at level 19 you wouldn't have any exposure to the instanced dungeons (except maybe the Deadmines), hence my getting mad. Like I said, it's all well and good if you just plain don't like the game, but don't say stuff like "grouping isn't important".

Anyway, I should have been more calm in bringing it up in the first place, so I apologize for my rudeness.