Hammer to be on 800MHz FSB?

[Switch]

I was over at Anandtech checking out their motherboard coverage of Comdex and in one of their pictures, gigabyte states: "Supports Socket 754 Advanced FSB 800MHz for AMD ClawHammer processors."

Pic (http://www.anandtech.com/showimage.html?u=http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/shows/2002/comdex/day1/mb/gigabytek800v.jpg)

What do you think about the second line on it... "Supports Hyper Threading Technology processor."

[Smokey]

Isnt it just using the VIA KT400A chipset which supports dual memory channel or something? This wouldnt be a FSB @800 ?? FSB will still be 400? This is just my understanding from what I have read.

[FastM]

Well since the hammer uses a built in Memory controller their is no FSB. The speed rating we will see is the speed of the Memory connecting directly to the cpu, which i am guessing will be whatever the speed of the actualy memory is...


After looking at that pic, im now lost.... Why is thier a NB on that mobo? Are we not talking about the Athlon 64?

[Switch]

I'm guessing there's a NB because of the AGP. I think AMD called it the "AGP Graphics Tunnel."

[FastM]

I guess its the pic of this http://anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1750&p=3 nVidia Hammer motherboard thats messing me up, i only see a SB.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Smokey
Isnt it just using the VIA KT400A chipset which supports dual memory channel or something? This wouldnt be a FSB @800 ?? FSB will still be 400? This is just my understanding from what I have read.

that's probably it. so then it won't be any different than nforce 2, besides nforce 2 probably performing better and being more stable :p

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by FastM
Well since the hammer uses a built in Memory controller their is no FSB. The speed rating we will see is the speed of the Memory connecting directly to the cpu, which i am guessing will be whatever the speed of the actualy memory is...


After looking at that pic, im now lost.... Why is thier a NB on that mobo? Are we not talking about the Athlon 64?

i was under the impression that the Hammer had a 333FSB. although with Barton now having a 400MHz FSB they should increase Hammer's support too.

[fastguy94416]

the 800 mhz is the P4!!! Dont mix up what you read man!


I think :D

[ReDeeMeR]

Nice, but when??? :confused:

[Smokey]

Originally posted by fastguy94416
the 800 mhz is the P4!!! Dont mix up what you read man!


I think :D

Did you bother to look at the pic ;)

[fastguy94416]

probably not.... Im a slight bit absent minded :cool:

[Gehenna_CA]

Maybe its Quadpumped 200mhz, basically like the p4s that will be released next year. It had to happen sooner or later that AMD would pickup the quadpumped thingy. Could be just straight 400mhzx2. Either way intel will no longer have an edge on the FSB.

[Nemesis]

Neither Opteron or Clawhammer (Athlon XP 64) have a front side bus, the memory controller is on the same die as the CPU. AMD has been talking up the performance increase (up to 20%) this arrangement gives, by reducing latency significantly. DDR 333 is the memory that is supported by the on-die memory controller.

There will be no FSB overclocking on the Athlon XP 64. The Hypertransport bus that connects the CPU to the AGP and PCI buses runs at 800Mhz, this is where the "800" comes from, I think.

[druga runda]

No FSB overclocking... will there be overclocking at all than?

A boring CPU if that is the case...

[ReDeeMeR]

Originally posted by druga runda
No FSB overclocking... will there be overclocking at all than?

A boring CPU if that is the case...

lol, indeed, but it'll be a revolution, no more stoopid bottlenecks(yay!). :D

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by ReDeeMeR
lol, indeed, but it'll be a revolution, no more stoopid bottlenecks(yay!). :D

right. except the limitation of having memory supported directly by the CPU. does this mean we have to buy a new CPU to support faster memory :rolleyes:

[druga runda]

Most likely,

The only question is how will the whole thing react,

Perhaps the upgrade will have to be Motherboard/CPU/Memory - if you want to get a new CPU in or new memory you will have to change it all.

hmmm


it sounds like a pain, but if it performs well than who cares ;)

The only thing is if there is no overclocking at all, than well, I guess stability overall will increase, as noone will be reporting problems, and on the other hand you are stuck with what you have more like TV which will be welcome for most, but we here will all be buying Intel again, as they said some time ago that they will cater again for the enthousiast market, like unlocked chips etc... just for fun ;)

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by druga runda

Perhaps the upgrade will have to be Motherboard/CPU/Memory - if you want to get a new CPU in or new memory you will have to change it all.

hmmm


it sounds like a pain, but if it performs well than who cares ;)


That's the case now, really. With the speed technology moves, you have to upgrade the Mobo, Memory and CPU if you want to be even close to the leading edge. And that's for about a month...:mad:

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Nemesis
That's the case now, really. With the speed technology moves, you have to upgrade the Mobo, Memory and CPU if you want to be even close to the leading edge. And that's for about a month...:mad:

unless you have an nforce 2 DDR266 has served well since AMD introduced CPUs with the 266MHz FSB, and it continues to serve well today, with 333FSB units only starting to appear.

[ReDeeMeR]

Originally posted by Nemesis
That's the case now, really. With the speed technology moves, you have to upgrade the Mobo, Memory and CPU if you want to be even close to the leading edge. And that's for about a month...:mad:

I agree, I bought Abit KX7-333(KT333?) mobo just 3 months ago and now I have to ghet nforce in order to achieve all of XP2600-2800 preformance :(

[Lezmaka]

If the mobo makers want, they can add their own memory controller and have a setting that disables the builtin one so you don't need a new processor just to support a faster memory type. But whether the faster memory would be worth disabling the builtin controller, who knows.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

LOL, bahahahaha! I guess if you guys wanna see a cpu running at REAL 800 Mhz FSB you're gonna have to wait for Intel to release its Canterwood chipset, lol, oh well, if you guys are patient, you'll see it in the first half of '03. :D:p

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
LOL, bahahahaha! I guess if you guys wanna see a cpu running at REAL 800 Mhz FSB you're gonna have to wait for Intel to release its Canterwood chipset, lol, oh well, if you guys are patient, you'll see it in the first half of '03. :D:p

isn't Intel only going to 665MHz FSB in 1H 03?

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
isn't Intel only going to 665MHz FSB in 1H 03?

As of November 15th that 667 Mhz FSB got upped to 800 Mhz FSB. Check it out. (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2002/11/19&pages=03&seq=11) :D

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
As of November 15th that 667 Mhz FSB got upped to 800 Mhz FSB. Check it out. (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2002/11/19&pages=03&seq=11) :D

excellent news. i was very unimpressed with their earlier announcements to use "667"(shouldn't it be 666 :D ) instead of just going the extra mile and using dual DDR400. after all, DDR400 is already available albeit still not standardized(?), but it should be by next year.

i wonder if we will see P4s with high multipliers then....or even clockspeed. or if Intel will just re-release a lot of its old CPUs with this hyper speed bus. is was hoping to be well over 4GHz by the end of next year.