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Cypher2k
11-20-02, 01:16 PM
Is anyone familiar with nVidia's onboard sound, specifically their Soundstream Audio with 5.1 surround? I'm getting the Nforce2 Leadtek motherboard for Christmas and am thinking about ditching my Turtle Beach Santa Cruz. I'm sure that the Santa Cruz is way better than nVidia's onboard sound but I don't care all that much at this point; sure would be nice to free up a PCI slot not to mention I'll be freeing up another PCI slot because the board has onboard LAN also by nVidia. All I'm really hoping for is that the onboard sound will be decent, better than my old old Soundblaster Live Value but not up to par with my Santa Cruz. So do you think the onboard sound will be good enough for me?

Thanks in advance!

pelly
11-20-02, 02:40 PM
I'm sure that the Santa Cruz is way better than nVidia's onboard sound

Actually, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a better consumer sound-solution than the nForce2's onboard audio...Many people regard it as having better quality than either Audigy 2 or the Santa Cruz!

Bonus for you! Sell that card and recoup some of that mobo's cost!

:D

Cypher2k
11-20-02, 04:02 PM
Wow! I figured the Santa Cruz and Audigy cards were god-like compared to any onboard sound. Well, this is pretty much music to my ears (will be later ;))! Can't wait to get the motherboard now!

Thanks Pelly!

pelly
11-20-02, 04:32 PM
Glad I could bring some good news!

Be sure to let us know how you like your new mobo!!!

:D

Cypher2k
11-20-02, 04:44 PM
I'll be sure to share my joy with the rest of the forum, don't you worry about that :D .

SavagePaladin
11-20-02, 05:52 PM
IT WILL be music to your ears...mmm nforce

ReDeeMeR
11-20-02, 07:49 PM
On board sound is much more cpu dependant imo, any reviews to compare soundstorm to audigy etc/>?

FastM
11-20-02, 09:18 PM
If you still have doubts about nForce's onboard sound, get a chance to play Halo on XBox and that should clear everything up...

Matthyahuw
11-20-02, 09:30 PM
nVIDIA's on-board sound has it's own processor, and is less CPU dependant than an Audigy...

Cypher2k
11-20-02, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Matthyahuw
nVIDIA's on-board sound has it's own processor, and is less CPU dependant than an Audigy...

That was a real big concern of mine. I'm glad to hear that it runs off it's own processor and is less CPU dependant.

Cypher2k
11-21-02, 12:50 AM
Ok, now I'm a little ticked off. I don't think the board I ordered can handle my 5.1 speakers unless I hook it up to a Dolby Decoder. Reason being, it only has an in, out, mic! I just noticed this on TomsHardware:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q4/021111/nforce2-17.html

If you scroll down to Sound System you'll see "External Connectors". The Leadtek only has the in, out, mic while the Asus has in, out, mic, surround, center, spdif-out! So it sounds like only the Asus board can provide 5.1 surround WITHOUT using a Dolby Decoder. I don't have a Dolby Decoder and have no reason to buy one, I just assumed that the Leadtek would support 5.1 surround without the Decoder. So what's the deal?

Here are some pics of the two boards:

Leadtek - http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-122-106-04.jpg/13-122-106-03.jpg/13-122-106-02.jpg/13-122-106-01.jpg

Asus - http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-131-436-04.JPG/13-131-436-03.JPG/13-131-436-02.JPG/13-131-436-01.JPG

LORD-eX-Bu
11-21-02, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by Cypher2k
Ok, now I'm a little ticked off. I don't think the board I ordered can handle my 5.1 speakers unless I hook it up to a Dolby Decoder. Reason being, it only has an in, out, mic! I just noticed this on TomsHardware:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q4/021111/nforce2-17.html

If you scroll down to Sound System you'll see "External Connectors". The Leadtek only has the in, out, mic while the Asus has in, out, mic, surround, center, spdif-out! So it sounds like only the Asus board can provide 5.1 surround WITHOUT using a Dolby Decoder. I don't have a Dolby Decoder and have no reason to buy one, I just assumed that the Leadtek would support 5.1 surround without the Decoder. So what's the deal?

Here are some pics of the two boards:

Leadtek - http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-122-106-04.jpg/13-122-106-03.jpg/13-122-106-02.jpg/13-122-106-01.jpg

Asus - http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-131-436-04.JPG/13-131-436-03.JPG/13-131-436-02.JPG/13-131-436-01.JPG
My AC97 can do that also thru the use of the S-bracket(I think). Tho it has thing to connect to decoder. But its AC97, its worthless.....:D

FastM
11-21-02, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Cypher2k
Ok, now I'm a little ticked off. I don't think the board I ordered can handle my 5.1 speakers unless I hook it up to a Dolby Decoder. Reason being, it only has an in, out, mic! I just noticed this on TomsHardware:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q4/021111/nforce2-17.html

If you scroll down to Sound System you'll see "External Connectors". The Leadtek only has the in, out, mic while the Asus has in, out, mic, surround, center, spdif-out! So it sounds like only the Asus board can provide 5.1 surround WITHOUT using a Dolby Decoder. I don't have a Dolby Decoder and have no reason to buy one, I just assumed that the Leadtek would support 5.1 surround without the Decoder. So what's the deal?

Here are some pics of the two boards:

Leadtek - http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-122-106-04.jpg/13-122-106-03.jpg/13-122-106-02.jpg/13-122-106-01.jpg

Asus - http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-131-436-04.JPG/13-131-436-03.JPG/13-131-436-02.JPG/13-131-436-01.JPG

Notice the Reversed PCI slot at the bottom of the Leadteak board? Im thinking it comes with a extra pci card that gives you the rest of the surround connections.. i could be wrong though.

You are talking about this WinFast K7NCR18D-Pro right? In the specs if does mention.. Audio (APU)
Built-in NVIDIA SoundStorm Audio with Dolby Digital 5.1 Encoding , SPDIF Digital output and 6-channel speakers support

Cypher2k
11-21-02, 12:42 PM
Yes, it is the Pro version.

From the looks of it, it is not coming with an extra pci card to fill up the reversed slot. You can see everything it comes with here:

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?style=album

I did notice that it says 6-channel support but I'm just a little confused as to why it only has in, out, and a mic. Shouldn't it have center, front, and rear outputs?

FastM
11-21-02, 02:34 PM
It should have 2 out's. One main and one for surround. Your speakers should split up the rest...

But where is that second Out for the surround. It MUST come with that extra pci card or ACR card since it does mention SPDIF Digital Out.

Edit, i see from the pick it does come with a pci bracket with the SPDIF connecter on it.... i dont get it....

Is it possible it only supports surround when using the SPDIF-Digital out?

Cypher2k
11-21-02, 02:52 PM
Right, it does have an SPDIF Digital Out card for the 5.1 Dolby Digital. I'm thinking that this is the only way to get surround; those people without a Dolby Decoder can't use their surround setup.

FastM
11-21-02, 03:56 PM
Yep, i think your right... Well that kinds sucks dont it??


Why would they do it that way. I mean what about the people with the Logitech Z-560's. They get a nForce2 and have no where to plug in the rear speakers.

Cypher2k
11-21-02, 04:16 PM
Exactly! That's why I'm confused about this. Cause it's soo stupid that it's questionable.

I ended up sending Leadtek some of my questions concerning this motherboard and it's audio features. Hopefully I'll hear back from them! I'll be sure to post whatever they send me.

pastor
11-21-02, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by pelly
Actually, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a better consumer sound-solution than the nForce2's onboard audio...Many people regard it as having better quality than either Audigy 2 or the Santa Cruz!

Bonus for you! Sell that card and recoup some of that mobo's cost!

:D

damn now i just hope nvidia is going to make a dual CPU nforce board :cool:

SavagePaladin
11-21-02, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by pastor
damn now i just hope nvidia is going to make a dual CPU nforce board :cool:
doutful on the Athlon, possible on the Hammer, from what i've read

Cypher2k
11-21-02, 05:37 PM
Great news!

I just called up Leadtek and talked to a guy in tech support. He said that I'll be able to hook up my 5.1 speakers to the 3 connectors and get 6 channel output. He said that the audio connectors are stereo out, line in, and mic, BUT the software allows you to change how the audio connectors funtion. The only problem is that if I'm running 6 channel output I can't use the line in or mic because the software will change these connectors to stereo output (center, rear, front) It really isn't a problem because I don't won't use those connectors ever.

Ahh, this is good news! I was not willing to pay an extra $100 just for a receiver with Dobly Digital decoding.

FastM
11-21-02, 06:01 PM
okay thats makes sense but.. what about people that want the two line-out's for a 4.1 setup, and want a Mic for online chat during gaming AND have a TV Tuner card which needs a Line-In?

I guess im going to get a Audigy2 to go along with my nForce2...

Cypher2k
11-21-02, 07:32 PM
Yeah, that is a problem for some.

My suggestion to you FastM would be to buy the ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 board; forget the leadtek board PLUS an audigy. This board has 6 audio connectors so you won't have to sacrifice any ports just to get multiple audio channels. I've also been reading a lot about the nVidia APU and it seems to be superior in 3D audio tests, probably because it doesn't demand much from the CPU.

Here's a pic showing you all of the connectors on the Asus A7N8X:

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-131-436-04.JPG/13-131-436-03.JPG/13-131-436-02.JPG/13-131-436-01.JPG

The Asus board performs at the same level as the Leadtek so don't worry about performance.

stncttr908
11-22-02, 12:08 PM
That is an awesome board. :)

SavagePaladin
11-22-02, 12:39 PM
If I wanted one, I'd go for the Abit. I love this nv7-133r to death :)