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Serial_Killer
12-20-04, 05:15 AM
I just bought myself an X800 pro HIS Excalibur IceQ2 and want to see it in all it's glory. I've played some games already, like farcry and doom3... (my god it is awesome beyond belief)
What do you recommend I download to really 'wow' me? (urls please)
GlowStick
12-20-04, 03:57 PM
Erm, well Half Life 2, if you havnet played it
http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=6013
Other than that, i cant think of any games that really have 'wow' factor to them you pritty much listed em all graphicly wise.
Try the Chronicles of Riddick. It looks good and is a lot of fun. It's only $29.99 although you might be able to get it for $25 at Best Buy.
3DMark05 is a nice benchmark if you don't mind watching the tests at less than 20fps. You should be able to play Half-Life 2 @ 1280x960 w/ 6xAA and 16xAF which is the best looking/running game out IMHO. FarCry has some nice engine effects (such as the water) but it lacks in the art aspect. No reason to even worry about Doom 3, it's to dark see the effects anyways. And it has low poly models and very blurry textures. But, if you do care about Doom 3 (or any other OpenGL games), download my Catalyst Complete beta which some decent gains in OpenGL.
You can get more info on the Catalyst Complete Beta here (http://valancestudios.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=131).
3DMark05 is a nice benchmark if you don't mind watching the tests at less than 20fps. You should be able to play Half-Life 2 @ 1280x960 w/ 6xAA and 16xAF which is the best looking/running game out IMHO. FarCry has some nice engine effects (such as the water) but it lacks in the art aspect. No reason to even worry about Doom 3, it's to dark see the effects anyways. And it has low poly models and very blurry textures. But, if you do care about Doom 3 (or any other OpenGL games), download my Catalyst Complete beta which some decent gains in OpenGL.
You can get more info on the Catalyst Complete Beta here (http://valancestudios.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=131).
3dmark05 looks like ass: very low fps + all the nasty texture flickering.
Doom3 by far is the best game in terms of graphics (yes, you can make it brighter by using the r_gamma console command).
Also, HL2 graphics are nice but nowhere near as nice as doom3's. And final thing: he can't run hl2 at those settings, I have an x800 xt pe and p4 3.5 w/ 2G of ram and it will crawl sometimes w/ 6x AA. Remember, fps and fluidity of the gameplay is very important if you want things to look pretty.
Try the Chronicles of Riddick. It's look good and is a lot of fun. It's only $29.99 although you might be able to get it for $25 at Best Buy.
I agree, Riddick looks nice but it's not a run and gun game like doom3. More like running errands game.
Doom3 by far is the best game in terms of graphics (yes, you can make it brighter by using the r_gamma console command).
That just allows you to see all of the low res blurry textures and pointy heads on the models.
HL2 graphics are nice but nowhere near as nice as doom3's.
What makes Doom 3 so great? The only thing I can see is a **** load of bump mapping and a unified lighting model, thoughs things are great, but decent textures and models are more important. The few outdoor environments are ugly. Doom 3's gameplay is even worse. You kill same creatures, with the same weapons, in the same environments for the better part of 15 hours. Sounds like fun huh? Not to me.
And final thing: he can't run hl2 at those settings, I have an x800 xt pe and p4 3.5 w/ 2G of ram and it will crawl sometimes w/ 6x AA. Remember, fps and fluidity of the gameplay is very important if you want things to look pretty.
Something is VERY wrong with your system then. The game is very smooth at 1280x960 w/6xAA and 16xAF and the only time I get a choppy framerate is when im CPU limited (changing resolution, AA, or AF does not change the frame rate) or I crank the res up to 1600x1200. Also, a stable frame rate is important for good gameplay but not for things to look pretty. I have seen some very pretty slide shows. :P
Superfly
12-21-04, 04:21 AM
That just allows you to see all of the low res blurry textures and pointy heads on the models.
What makes Doom 3 so great? The only thing I can see is a **** load of bump mapping and a unified lighting model, thoughs things are great, but decent textures and models are more important. The few outdoor environments are ugly. Doom 3's gameplay is even worse. You kill same creatures, with the same weapons, in the same environments for the better part of 15 hours. Sounds like fun huh? Not to me.
Could'nt disagree more.
Subtestube
12-21-04, 05:16 AM
Erm... to those who say that D3 has low poly models, they're really not that bad at all. From the mouth of the Carmack himself:
"Carmack: The game characters are between 2000 and 6000 polygons."
I couldn't track down the poly counts for HL2 or Far Cry, but if someone can find an official article stating them, I'd be interested to see. What I don't really want is someone's estimation from what "seems about right". Smart design can make a 500 poly model look like a 1000 poly one.
Edit: Just to apologise - this is a tad off topic.
Something is VERY wrong with your system then. The game is very smooth at 1280x960 w/6xAA and 16xAF and the only time I get a choppy framerate is when im CPU limited (changing resolution, AA, or AF does not change the frame rate) or I crank the res up to 1600x1200. Also, a stable frame rate is important for good gameplay but not for things to look pretty. I have seen some very pretty slide shows. :P
My system is handbuilt from hand-picked parts, overclocked with top of the line coolers from Thermalright and Arcting Cooling, further coolled with 5 case fans, OS tweaked for speed with only 16 processes running in Task Manager after boot. Runs all benchmarks @ or faster than those reported on review websites with machines of similar specs.
Maybe it's just a matter of perception or your lower standards. But if my game is visually chopping, THAT IS DROPPING BELOW 40 FPS, then I call that slow. If those kind of framerates are fine with you...
Back on the topic. Some newer sims look nice. LOMAC, IL II Sturmovik. Heck, even NFS2 U2 with high antialiasing modes can be pleasing to the eye. Space seems like X2 The Threat or that new Space Interceptor game are ok.
Painkiller Booh looks pretty good as well.
But none of them beat D3, still.
Maybe it's just a matter of perception or your lower standards. But if my game is visually chopping, THAT IS DROPPING BELOW 40 FPS, then I call that slow. If those kind of framerates are fine with you...
There are parts of Half Life 2 that will dip into the 30's and 40's because its so damn stressing on the CPU. Half Life 2 is not a very GPU dependent game, that is why it runs so well at 1280x960 w/ 6xAA. Hell, Edge was able to play the game on Intel Extreme Graphcs, now that should tell you something about its CPU dependency. Im CPU limited all the way to to 1600x1200 w/ 6xAA and 16xAF (in the slowest bits of the game, such as City 17 and parts of Highway 17) when my card finally falls flat. If you cannot run at thoughs settings then something must be wrong with your system (it could be software related, what ATI drivers are you using?).
Back on the topic. Some newer sims look nice. LOMAC, IL II Sturmovik. Heck, even NFS2 U2 with high antialiasing modes can be pleasing to the eye. Space seems like X2 The Threat or that new Space Interceptor game are ok.
Painkiller Booh looks pretty good as well.
But none of them beat D3, still.
Ditto on Painkiller and X2. You still havent told me what makes Doom 3 so great. (xmastong)
Erm... to those who say that D3 has low poly models, they're really not that bad at all. From the mouth of the Carmack himself:
"Carmack: The game characters are between 2000 and 6000 polygons."
I couldn't track down the poly counts for HL2 or Far Cry, but if someone can find an official article stating them, I'd be interested to see. What I don't really want is someone's estimation from what "seems about right". Smart design can make a 500 poly model look like a 1000 poly one.
Edit: Just to apologise - this is a tad off topic.
Then why can't the Subdivide the tops of the heads to make them round? You can do that in about 5 seconds in 3ds max.
Im also dragging this thread off topic. Sorry about that, I'll shut up now.
Superfly
12-21-04, 10:13 AM
You still havent told me what makes Doom 3 so great. (xmastong)
The Quality of the coding - lack of any issues.
The great Atmosphere
Lighting/shadow integration
The easy to use in game UI.
excellent modelling/animation.
of course if you did'nt like the gamestyle of D3 then no amount of perfect coding/lighting techniques will make you like it.
I appreciate your preference to HL2 - so appreciate our preference for D3.
each to their own.
FarCry has some nice engine effects (such as the water) but it lacks in the art aspect. No reason to even worry about Doom 3, it's to dark see the effects anyways. And it has low poly models and very blurry textures. But, if you do care about Doom 3 (or any other OpenGL games), download my Catalyst Complete beta which some decent gains in OpenGL.
here (http://valancestudios.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=131).
Why turn a simple thread asking for games that will "wow" him into another argument over Doom 3 and Half-Life 2. He already said he was impressed by Doom 3 and Far Cry and was looking for others. So, why slam Doom 3 in your comment. Someone else had already suggested HL2 so what was the purpose of your comment that turned this thread for the worse?
If you don't have anything to add, why comment.
There are parts of Half Life 2 that will dip into the 30's and 40's because its so damn stressing on the CPU. Half Life 2 is not a very GPU dependent game, that is why it runs so well at 1280x960 w/ 6xAA. Hell, Edge was able to play the game on Intel Extreme Graphcs, now that should tell you something about its CPU dependency. Im CPU limited all the way to to 1600x1200 w/ 6xAA and 16xAF (in the slowest bits of the game, such as City 17 and parts of Highway 17) when my card finally falls flat. If you cannot run at thoughs settings then something must be wrong with your system (it could be software related, what ATI drivers are you using?).
You modify catalyst drivers, so you seemed like an intelligent person. At first, I didn't think that I had to spell it out, but now I can see the need.
NO, IT'S NOT ABOUT CPU-LIMITED PARTS OF THE GAME. I never said it was, and also my comments implied that as well.
Example: In the dune buggy part when you get to station #whatver, where you are first given (and briefed on) the rocket launcher, there's a scene where you have to defend the station from the alien flying craft attack:
the gameplay is very choppy w/ antialiasing turned on. You turn it off and it's smooth as silk. Obviously, not a cpu but rather GPU limited scene.
There are many other parts like that, especially with suggested 6xAA.
There ARE parts which are severely CPU limited, like the scene right after you have to operate the crane (is this really the only one for my 3.0 @ 3.5 GHz P4? I can't recall any more cpu heavy scenes.) But for the most part, I found anything with above 2xAA will give much more chop than without (as in constant 40+ fps without 4x or 6xAA).
And once again, and I think most people with agree with me, if one wants pretty, choppiness is unacceptable. I personally think that anything that goes under 40 - 50fps is downright ugly. Then again, I'm used to playing first person shooters at a fixed and constant 120 fps competitively, so my standard may be very different from others'.
You modify catalyst drivers, so you seemed like an intelligent person.
How does modifying drivers make someone intelligent? Anyways, im done arguing. I've started my opinions before and there is no reason to restate them.
Why turn a simple thread asking for games that will "wow" him into another argument over Doom 3 and Half-Life 2. He already said he was impressed by Doom 3 and Far Cry and was looking for others. So, why slam Doom 3 in your comment. Someone else had already suggested HL2 so what was the purpose of your comment that turned this thread for the worse?
If you don't have anything to add, why comment.
Your right, I should keep my personal opinions you myself in a thread like this.
I appreciate your preference to HL2 - so appreciate our preference for D3.
each to their own.
Thanks for answering my question. I do respect your opinion.
I believe we have covered all of the games that would really wow you. The only addition I could see is MoH:PA but it runs like crap.
Your right, I should keep my personal opinions you myself in a thread like this.
I don't think you should keep your opinions to yourself. I just think people should try to answer the question being asked instead of trying to make the thread into something else.
fivefeet8
12-21-04, 03:49 PM
I'd suggest Flat Out. If your a racing/destruction derby game fan. ;)
Yeah, that's a good one. Xpand Rally also looks really good.
Try the Chronicles of Riddick. It looks good and is a lot of fun. It's only $29.99 although you might be able to get it for $25 at Best Buy.
I agree chronicles of riddick looks really good and plays even better, I prefer it over doom3/hl2 ;)
Anzak can you get back to me about you know what, i just need some kinda update.
I think Anzak has been hanging out on rage3d too much, he has developed 'opinions' :P
ChrisRay
12-21-04, 07:18 PM
Ok, Back on topic. Enough flaming. I cant imagine why this turned into a Doom 3 verses HL 2 thread.
Anzak can you get back to me about you know what, i just need some kinda update.
Woah! Sorry about that. YGPM
I think Anzak has been hanging out on rage3d too much, he has developed 'opinions' :P
YGPM.
Soylent
01-01-05, 06:47 PM
This keept me amused for about an hour: http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/
Lfctony
01-02-05, 12:44 PM
This keept me amused for about an hour: http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/
It kept me "amused" for much longer with the initial problems I had with my 6800U. :)
Nexus - The Jupiter Encounter is a nice game.
(newyr)
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