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MUYA
12-29-04, 11:18 PM
The link (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/gigabyte_3d1/)

Alomost a 2 in 1 Review. Firingsquad reviews the gigabyte card on Gigabyte's nForce4-SLI mmobo!

Cota
12-29-04, 11:34 PM
Impressive indeed, altough I expected it to beat the 6800GT.

wrugoin
12-30-04, 12:44 AM
eh... Other then the novelty of having a cool looking dual chip videocard, I really wouldn't opt for one when you can get a SLI mobo and a GT for close to the same price, and still have the option to buy another GT in the future and SLI them.

What that card really needs is an external SLI bridge too, so you can have two Dual chip cards and have 4 GPUs running at once! Imagine when they come out with the Dual chip ultras! Could you imagine 4 of those babies working together? 20000+ 3DMark 05! Not to mention the need for an extra power supply just for those cards.

anzak
12-30-04, 12:55 AM
I thought it was going to be faster than a 6800 Ultra? Anyways, I don't understand why it scored so high. It cost $150 more than a PCIe 6800GT and performs worse. Plus you could always buy another 6800GT down the road when the prices drop.

Thanks for the link Muya. Its a good read never the less.

ChrisRay
12-30-04, 01:00 AM
I think it would have been interesting to see non AA benchmarks and 2x AA benches. While most people would use Anti Aliasing. The problem is it really only has 128 megs of memory ((Its kinda sad because you see wasted 128 megs of memory really) so its gonna fall behind a 256 meg chip)).

Curiously I wonder how it would do at 1600x1200 nd 1280x1024 with 16x AF and no AA.


I thought it was going to be faster than a 6800 Ultra? Anyways, I don't understand why it scored so high. It cost $150 more than a PCIe 6800GT and performs worse. Plus you could always buy another 6800GT down the road when the prices drop.

Thanks for the link Muya. Its a good read never the less

Keep in mind this is a bundle set. It wont work without a Gigabyte mobo. if you are going an all out bundle. Say buy an SLI board for 300 dollars. Then a 6800GT PCIE board for another 400. Its close to 700 Dollars.

This is a package deal (with mobo) For 550. Tbh thats really not that bad when you consider that.

MUYA
12-30-04, 01:52 AM
Did u all miss the bit where Firingsquad said that they (Gigabyte) are working at other GPUs for a sli card...erm like 6800 GTs??? :drooling:

Cota
12-30-04, 01:54 AM
On second toughts, it would be much better if it worked in a non SLI board.

I really see no reason for it to need a SLI mobo.

anzak
12-30-04, 01:55 AM
Keep in mind this is a bundle set. It wont work without a Gigabyte mobo. if you are going an all out bundle. Say buy an SLI board for 300 dollars. Then a 6800GT PCIE board for another 400. Its close to 700 Dollars.

This is a package deal (with mobo) For 550. Tbh thats really not that bad when you consider that.

ROFL! Somehow I did. Yeah, thats a much better sounding deal. (snowlol)

Fotis
12-30-04, 02:41 AM
Firingsquad used old drivers. ;)

jbirney
12-30-04, 09:37 AM
Not too bad. However I think your still better off getting a single 6800GT as it preformed better accross the board and less money :)

JamesDax
12-30-04, 10:30 AM
Yeah, this board makes no since. Not only does it cost more and preforms worst then the 6800GT. But you still have to have an SLI board to use it.

Beng
12-30-04, 11:12 AM
Yeah, this board makes no since.

Well, you do have the fastest 3DMark card when no AA/AF is applied.
(xmasgrin)

Sp3wn
12-30-04, 12:15 PM
I would liked to have seen it bencmarked beside a 6600gt sli and a 6800, just to see where it stands between those cards. oh well

anzak
12-30-04, 03:51 PM
Not too bad. However I think your still better off getting a single 6800GT as it preformed better accross the board and less money :)

This is a card and mobo combo. Considering its a $200 mobo thats not bad at all.

Lfctony
12-30-04, 04:00 PM
This is exactly what I suspected. All tests advertised were synthetic at 1024. I was wondering if it would keep up at higher resolutions with AA/AF. Despite it's massive fillrate advantage over the GT, it still lags behind it in almost all tests. Maybe an updated driver set will help the card run better.

monly
12-30-04, 04:48 PM
This is a great example of how useless 3dmark is

SH64
12-30-04, 04:52 PM
The scores shown in Ocworkbench misleaded me . i thought the 3D1 is going to be a better solution than the 6800GT at least from performance prespective .. :|

ChrisRay
12-30-04, 06:53 PM
Still wonder why people havent figured out.. if you buy an SLI motherboard + 6800GT you spnd significantly more than what this setup costs

Rollo
12-30-04, 07:11 PM
Yeah, this board makes no since. Not only does it cost more and preforms worst then the 6800GT. But you still have to have an SLI board to use it.

OK James Dax- linkage to in stock PCIE 6800GT and SLI motherboard that costs $550?

BTW- Kyle over at H said that a 6600GT SLI rig played much smoother than a single 6800GT even though the numbers were a little lower.

I don't see how you can lose with this deal unless you want two 6800s upfront.

CaptNKILL
12-30-04, 07:50 PM
Just curious, but why are they packaging an SLI card that only requires one PCI-E slot with an SLI (two PCI-E slot) motherboard? Arent they essentially wasting the extra slot?

I guess it leaves it expandable for the future if you want to run SLI 6800s or something, but then you would be wasting this dual core card and have to buy 2 6800s anyway. Wouldnt it be easier and cheaper just to bundle it with a 6800 NU? That would perform slightly less but probably cost a little less AND be upgradable with another 6800 NU for SLI in the future.

IMO, thatd be a much better package deal. Id go for that.

dan2097
12-30-04, 08:20 PM
This is a great example of how useless 3dmark is

3dmark showed exactly what it was supposed to show, that in a completly graphics limited, shader limited situation when the 6600GT doesnt run out of memory that its significantly faster (xmastong)

3dmark03/05's default bench is thus basically a best case scenario. Up the resolution and throw in some fsaa and atleast the 3dmark03 results wouldnt be that disparate from current games (same applys for 3dmark05's results but the result would be very low fps)

This does highlight though that 3dmark03 is stupidly graphics limited as virtually all games are still system limited at 1024x768 no aa/af

Just curious, but why are they packaging an SLI card that only requires one PCI-E slot with an SLI (two PCI-E slot) motherboard? Arent they essentially wasting the extra slot?


Its rumoured that the card requires an sli compliant motherboard so if they want to bundle theyre new creation their forced to bundle it with an sli motherboard.

Jethro
12-30-04, 08:35 PM
Running that card at 4x AA at all times in that review really showed the cards weakness without question. I to wonder how it would compare with just Aniso enabled. I personally run highest res and aniso i can in any of my titles. I cant stand the way AA blurs things somewhat.

Is that the new norm to run all test @ 4xAA like that? Especially on a 128mb card? I guess we will have to wait for a more concise review!

Cota
12-30-04, 08:53 PM
Running that card at 4x AA at all times in that review really showed the cards weakness without question. I to wonder how it would compare with just Aniso enabled. I personally run highest res and aniso i can in any of my titles. I cant stand the way AA blurs things somewhat.

Is that the new norm to run all test @ 4xAA like that? Especially on a 128mb card? I guess we will have to wait for a more concise review!

Its not the 128mb that cripples the 6600gt, but the 128bit bus.

Jethro
12-30-04, 09:08 PM
I dunno, but i would like to see where the limit of 1000mhz of processing power is. Neither review have really shown at what point you hit the cards weaknesses.

with a smokin fast CPU and moderate graphics settings this card has some serious Framerate potential! there is alot of GPU under that hood! not at a bad price either considering 6800GT prices yet.

we just need a more extensive review!

ChrisRay
12-30-04, 09:11 PM
3dmark showed exactly what it was supposed to show, that in a completly graphics limited, shader limited situation when the 6600GT doesnt run out of memory that its significantly faster (xmastong)

3dmark03/05's default bench is thus basically a best case scenario. Up the resolution and throw in some fsaa and atleast the 3dmark03 results wouldnt be that disparate from current games (same applys for 3dmark05's results but the result would be very low fps)

This does highlight though that 3dmark03 is stupidly graphics limited as virtually all games are still system limited at 1024x768 no aa/af


Its rumoured that the card requires an sli compliant motherboard so if they want to bundle theyre new creation their forced to bundle it with an sli motherboard.


The card doesnt just require an SLI motherboard. it requires gigabytes SLI motherboard. Its simply a package solution. The card itself is not meant to be sold standalone.

In Any event. 3dmark05 does show memory sensitivity in my experience. Using a 6800NU @ 350/900 with 16 pipes/6 vertex Units. I got about 400 points less than my 6800GT got at default. Theres nothing wrong with 3dmark03 persay. Even at 1600x1200 resolution it wont run out of memory. The problem is AA has a huge memory footprint. Even at 1024x768 @ 4x AA you will probably use a similar memory as a 1600x1200 @ without AA.

It's not bandwith people. It's framebuffer size.