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Tr1cK
01-06-05, 07:01 PM
I plan on upgrading my system in sig to a Athlon 64 s939 system. I found good prices on combos from Monarch Computer. I want the MSI K8N Neo2 and 3500+ Winchester. I also plan on getting the Enermax Noisetake 600watt PSU they have also. I am an overclocker, but not to the extreme. I was wondering if this setup is good, any known issues, or what I can expect from it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

btw - Is Monarch Computer a good place to buy from? Ive dealt with Newegg mostly, but have gotten agitated at them because they wont let you post a bad review on a crappy product. They also dont have this motherboard in stock most the time. Prices are comparable between the places, I have found Monarch to be slightly cheaper right now though.

Tr1cK
01-07-05, 08:44 AM
Hmm. Ok. I admit I have seen the motherboard & cpu to be good. I was mainly wondering about the power supply and the retailer. I was also wondering if anything new has come out that would be better than this setup. I have about $600 for this upgrade.

Dr.Nick
01-07-05, 10:48 AM
Never had any probs with Monarch, they are fast and pack items well for shipping. The enermax psu is also very nice but if they have the OCZ 510 I'd go woth that instead(if comparable in price of course). The only issue I have with this board is that I have to turn off fastwites for my 6800 to work when running over 400MHz(core) but that seems to be an issue with a lot of NF3 boards. Other than that you'll love the setup, especially if you like to OC;)

Pandora's Box
01-07-05, 12:04 PM
msi k8n neo 2 platinum and amd 64 3500+ is a great combo. grab the ocz 520 watt power supply and your set.

Tr1cK
01-07-05, 01:43 PM
Thanks for the input. I was looking at the OCZ PSU, but they don't have the Powerstream. I did find a great review on the Enermax 600, which I think I will get now that I've read it.

Enermax Noisetaker 600 review (http://xtremeresources.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=2023)

Viral
01-08-05, 12:06 AM
I'm not so sure about those dual 12v rail PSU's. Get a good video card and wouldn't it saturate one entire rail? besides that, 18A isn't enough for a 6800GT/Ultra or most top-end modern video cards. Maybe I'm misunderstanding how they work and the two rails can combine, but if not, it's probably not the best option.

Tr1cK
01-08-05, 12:21 AM
My Antec True430 only has a 20a rail with everything running off it. The Enermax has an 18 for just the CPU & VC and another 18 for everything else. I believe that it will be more than sufficient. People are running 6800GTs in SFF systems with only 250 watts. Does anyone have any experience with the Noisetaker PSUs that they could comment on?

jAkUp
01-08-05, 12:31 AM
Yea I had a Enermax Noisetaker 485, then a 600. They look cool and the fan keeps spinning after you power off which is a nice feature, but I had problems with my 6800 Ultra saying there isnt enough power on both the power supply's. I got so pissed off with those messages that I went out and bought a PC Power and Cooling 510 Deluxe. I never again saw those messages. This same PSU is powering 2 6800 Ultras right now! Best power supply I have ever used.

With a 6800gt it should be ok, but a 6800 Ultra with dual molex connectors it would just not work well.

Rytr
01-08-05, 12:35 AM
I got the 600W Enermax from Monarch. The first one was a dud! RMA process was painless. They received the RMA request on a Monday and I had a working Enermax 600W in my system Thursday night.
I too order mostly from newegg but I have not had problems with Monarch with about 4 past orders. However, I do know of a person who did have a problem with them.

saturnotaku
01-08-05, 09:13 AM
If you're looking for a power supply, I would highly recommend the one I'm using - a Thermaltake PurePower 560W. It doesn't have the strongest +12v for its wattage rating (22A) but I've run a GeForce 6800 Ultra, two optical drives, two hard drives and my overclocked A64 machine on it without any problems at all. It's about $60 cheaper than the Enermax one you're looking at, plus all the cables are pre-sleeved making airflow routing much simpler.

$97.50 at Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-015&depa=0)

Tr1cK
01-08-05, 09:35 AM
Hmm. I was trying to purchase everything from one site. I am willing to pay into the $150 range (little more or less) for a headache free PSU.

I did eyeball the Thermaltake you were talking about. I use the Volcano 12 HSF on my Athlon XP and it is great. The only thing that made me weary was the low rail amperage.

How would the Enermax Whisper 460w do? I see it has one rail @ 33a.

saturnotaku
01-08-05, 10:35 AM
Hmm. I was trying to purchase everything from one site. I am willing to pay into the $150 range (little more or less) for a headache free PSU.

Monarch has that power supply as well. It's $107 there. Again, this Thermaltake has been headache free for me. Just plug everything in and go.

Tr1cK
01-08-05, 10:39 AM
Sat, I see that you have a nice o/c on a similar setup as to what Ill be getting. I was wondering if your o/c was the ceiling or did you back off of it for some reason? I think I will either get the Thermaltake or the older style Enermax with the 33a 12v rail.

Im getting a result of 421 watts from this calculator for the setup I should have.
http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/
So Im guessing the Enermax 460 would suffice. I do think Thermaltake has underrated their line outputs. I also read somewhere that MSI said the Neo2 has to have a 25a rail. Im not sure how valid that is though.

Also, will my memory run dual channel in this board @ high freq? The MSI site says with slot 1&3 loaded with dual sided dimms are limited to 333fsb. I seriously doubt this though as I dont think the board would be nearly as popular in that case.

saturnotaku
01-08-05, 10:48 AM
My CPU is the older 0.13u design. I'm running a 6:5 ratio on the memory because my CPU doesn't like to be run at 2.5 GHz. Plus I also don't like running my RAM at CAS 3 and DDR460 was as high as this memory would allow at CAS 2.5. I bet it could go higher, but I'm on stock cooling and my performance is quite good as it is. Since you'd be getting the .09u 3500+ I'm sure you'd be able to get at least 2.5 out of it, probably more with a good air or water cooling setup.

Tr1cK
01-08-05, 10:53 AM
Was slow editing my last post, heh. I didnt think you would reply so fast.

Rytr
01-08-05, 12:14 PM
So Im guessing the Enermax 460 would suffice. I do think Thermaltake has underrated their line outputs. I also read somewhere that MSI said the Neo2 has to have a 25a rail. Im not sure how valid that is though.

The 460 should be plenty.
Don't know who makes Thermaltake's psu's, Fortron?
25A is total for the +12V so most any of the newer split rail designs should be more than adequate.

Riptide
01-08-05, 01:32 PM
My 3200+ .09 couldn't even make it to 2.4 stable. There are no guarantees as far as overclockability goes.

Dazz
01-08-05, 04:40 PM
Hmmmmmmm I just ordered an 3200+ week 46 and am 'hoping' it will do 2.7Ghz am i over the top? My 3500+ newcastle does 1.55GHz 100% stable, does 2.6GHz but some games freakout, Unreal 2 and Dawn Of War will crash.

Riptide
01-08-05, 04:57 PM
2.7 might be pushing it on air IMO.

It's just a luck of the draw. FWIW, many people seem to have pretty good luck w/their winchesters. That said, I was just pointing out that there are no guarantees and not every .09 is going to overclock well. Some of them flat out suck.

Tr1cK
01-08-05, 05:52 PM
2.2 is all my Thoroughbred B will do without cranking the volts, it's a 2.0 chip. Starting at 2.2, I am hoping to just get around 2.4 - 2.5. I think it's do-able.

I'm still leaning towards buying the Enermax Whisper 460 with the 33a 12v rail. Tonight is the night I am going to put the order in, so the sooner I make up my mind the better.

Tr1cK
01-08-05, 06:41 PM
Well, I got impatient and ordered it. I bought the 3500+ Winchester, K8N Neo2, Thermaltake A1838, and the Enermax 465P-VE-24P ATX-EPS/SSI 460W Whisper Power. I looked on MSI site and they didn't have any Antecs listed for approved PSUs, but they did have a 350 and 430 watt similar to what I am getting. Cross your fingers, it should be in by Wednesday.

nIghtorius
01-10-05, 04:39 PM
a good PSU does miracles..

my Athlon64 3500 (2.2Ghz) could barely hold up @ 2.3Ghz with my Chieftec 360Watts PSU.. now.. with my new Enermax unit it reaches 2.53Ghz while the memory is holding me back. I could toy around with the setting to get it @ 2.6Ghz. but thats for later.

Tr1cK
01-10-05, 05:57 PM
Night, which one do you have? Is it the Whisper series with the 33a 12v?

nIghtorius
01-11-05, 07:15 AM
Night, which one do you have? Is it the Whisper series with the 33a 12v?

yeah.. it delivers 33amps on the 12V rail. :) and my voltages are extremely stable.

more info.. (I have the EG465P-VE)

Information about an enermax PSU (http://www.enermax.com.tw/products_page.php?Tid=1&gon=243&Gid=26&Gid2=38)

Also consider when overclocking an Athlon64 and you have to bump up the vcore a bit.. (0.1v) the core-temp rises quite hard.

example: (measured at room-temp @ 23C)

3500+ @ stock @ stock voltage IDLE/STRESSED: 32/42C
3500+ @ stock @ 1.65v IDLE/STRESSED: 40/54C
3500+ @ 2.53 @ 1.65v IDLE/STRESSED: 42/58C

WARNING: don't set your vcore to 1.65v when you have a .90 winchester.. only use 1.65v with a Newcastle. since winnies require less volts.

HINT: Newcastles seem to thrive on the 1.75v setting. anything higher seem to affect OC'ing performance. but 1.75v is way too much for my aircooling (temps are going insanely high)

I am using a ZALMAN CNPS7700Cu for a CPU Cooler. with stock AMD cooler my temps went above the 65 degree celcius mark stressed.

Tr1cK
01-11-05, 07:53 AM
Thats the PSU I'm getting. The cooler Im getting is the Thermaltake 1838, its all copper. Im thinking of using the adjustable fan off my Volcano 12 on it though. The Volcano 12 dropped my temps a ton on my Thoroughbred, so I believe the similar 1838 will be good too.