NV30 disadvantages

[tamattack]

For all of you who are nitpicking my comment about "groundbreaking"...

Originally posted by tamattack
A couple of other, minor, disadvantages:

1. lose a PCI slot.

2. not as groundbreaking vs. R300 as R300 was vs. GF4Ti.

3. still no reviews.

4. still can't get one.

Let's do a little comparison:

Features

DX8 (GF4) to DX9 (R300) -> generational jump from integer to floating point calculation

DX9 (R300) to DX9+ (NV30) -> incremental jump to higher precision floating point calculation

Performance

GF4 to R300 -> 50% - 300% faster

R300 to NV30 -> 30% faster (as estimated by NV)

FSAA

GF4 to R300 -> more samples, faster performance, intro of gamma correct FSAA

R300 to NV30 -> less samples, unknown performance, both include gamma correct FSAA

So, can you really say that NV30, in comparison to R300, is really as groundbreaking as R300 was at its introduction in comparison to GF4?

[tamattack]

Originally posted by thcdru2k
ahha not as groundbreaking..what do you call cinefx?

Marketing BS... And you fell for it. As it stands now, based on currently available information, there is nothing that a GFFX can render that an R300 cannot.

Originally posted by thcdru2k
and the pci issue is non existent. how many people use all their pci slots

PCI slot issue is non-existant for you. Me too. How much do you want to bet that it will affect someone? What about people running SFF PCs (eg: Shuttle) where the AGP slot is on the outside edge and therefore the GFFX cooler would protrude beyond the edge of the case?

Originally posted by thcdru2k
and people leave it free anyway. better for airflow.

Hrmm... You realize that with the monster cooler, the slot is still occupied, right (by the cooler)? How is it better for airflow when the space is still obstructed?!?

[tamattack]

Originally posted by Bigus Dickus
That's the point. It's not that the tech in NV30 isn't good, or interesting, but at this point it's just an also. Nothing wrong with that, being second has a few advantages still, but being groundbreaking just isn't one of them. The ground has already been broken.[/B]

Exactly... Not that hard to understand yet here we are explaining it... :rolleyes:

[tamattack]

Originally posted by SavagePaladin
Not as groundbreaking implies that you don't care about much of what they actually did...

I can't say anything is all that different from ATIs.

You just proved my point! Nothing all that diff from R300, therefore not as groundbreaking!

[AngelGraves13]

the R300 and NV30 are about the same.......they are both groundbreaking because they are the only "new" generation of graphics cards.

[tamattack]

Originally posted by 99 to Life
the R300 and NV30 are about the same.......they are both groundbreaking because they are the only "new" generation of graphics cards.

Agreed. :) My only minor complaint is that the jump from GF4 to R300 was so much bigger than the jump from R300 to NV30, thus my "groundbreaking in relation to" comment.

But since I seem to have inspired a whole new discussion within this thread... (and just for fun, of course):

<cheap shot mode>

ATI's "new" generation was introduced about 4 months ago and has been available for purchase since about 3 months ago...

NV's "new" generation was introduced a few weeks ago and won't be available for sale for another 2 to 3 months...

That's a long time to wait for something that's "about the same".

</cheap shot mode>

[thcdru2k]

i'm sure they more different than about the same. since we don't have it in our hands, we can't conclude anything on how similar it is to an r300.

[StealthHawk]

since R300 and NV30 are from the same generation there is no reason to expect NV30 to bring as much to the table over R300 as R300 did over gf4.

[tamattack]

Originally posted by thcdru2k
i'm sure they more different than about the same. since we don't have it in our hands, we can't conclude anything on how similar it is to an r300.

Yo. Not meanin' to pick on ya... but I've got a few free minutes here in front of the PC, and I'm in a weird mood tonite...

So, since you don't have it in your hands, you can't conclude anything, yet you're sure they are more different than the same.

Waitamint... sounds like you've made a conclusion... but you can't conclude anything... but you're sure... but you don't have one... but... but... but...

Me head spinning from going in circles with that little bit of flawed reasoning... :D

[tamattack]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
since R300 and NV30 are from the same generation there is no reason to expect NV30 to bring as much to the table over R300 as R300 did over gf4.

Thank you, StealthHawk! That's exactly what I've been trying to say! ;)

[thcdru2k]

im' just saying, they are a couple months late, but i'm sure in those couple of months they've could have made at least a couple advancements over the r300.

[Bigus Dickus]

I thought the chip taped out back last spring!!??!?!?!? :D j/k

The final design of the NV30 has been locked for many months now. The only "change" made in response to the R300 is the extreme cooling solution needed to make it the performance leader.

[tamattack]

Originally posted by thcdru2k
im' just saying, they are a couple months late, but i'm sure in those couple of months they've could have made at least a couple advancements over the r300.

I don't doubt that there are a few advancements vis-a-vis R300. In fact, I think there are several incremental improvements over R300... just not as much of a difference as there was between GF4 and R300.

As for making last minute additions over the past few months, see Bigus Dickus' comments above.