Sharon Cuts Contact With Abbas

[DiscipleDOC]

I don't blame him. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144351,00.html) Until Abbas can control the militants in the gaza strip, they should not negotiate ANYTHING!!!

[Darth Rancid]

While it is kind of pointless to negotiate with someone who can't even control his own "militants", cutting relations with the palestinian leadership will accomplish absolutely nothing, at best. At worst it will increase the support for the militants among the palestinians, as their diplomatic leadership will seem utterly pwerless if they can't even talk with Israel...

Bloody hopeless situation they have over there...

[retsam]

At worst it will increase the support for the militants among the palestinians don't the palestinians already fully support the militants ? how do you think these terrorists can luanch attacks from anywere in the gaza and west bank...

[Darth Rancid]

Obviously there is substantial support for the militants.. but I think it is far from 100%... So I think it could increase.

[nod]

And here would be an excellent opportunity for some good ol' diplomacy on our part. Maybe Clinton should go over and try and get those two together. Say what you want about Clinton, but he was pretty good w/ diplomacy, especially when it came to the ME.

If diplomacy doesn't work, I'd have no problem revoking US financial and military aid to Israel, as well as completely breaking off our ties to Palestine. Isolate them both until they can get along.

You would think that the people, the everyday citizenship, of both Isreal and Palestine would be so sick and tired of the fightng by now that they'd call for change in the leadership until the situation was peacefully straightened out. Israel needs to give up those settlements and Palestine needs to round up and jail those terrorists. That'd be a good start.

Until then, how much more fighting between the two? 10 years? 40? 100? It's stupid. Life's too short.

[DiscipleDOC]

If diplomacy doesn't work, I'd have no problem revoking US financial and military aid to Israel, as well as completely breaking off our ties to Palestine. Isolate them both until they can get along.

Isolate them both so that Iran, Syria, and other muslim nations can have their way with Israel. Gotcha. :rolleyes2

[nod]

Isolate them both so that Iran, Syria, and other muslim nations can have their way with Israel. Gotcha. :rolleyes2

Israel is a very wealthy country and has more than enough military hardware to defend itself from any attack from its neighbors. Nobody is going to be "having their way" with Israel anytime soon. Your statement is absurd.

[DiscipleDOC]

Israel is a very wealthy country and has more than enough military hardware to defend itself from any attack from its neighbors. Nobody is going to be "having their way" with Israel anytime soon. Your statement is absurd.
YOU are absurd. Since we are not going to cut ties with Israel, I guess the point is moot (pretty much like your asinine assumption).

[nod]

YOU are absurd. Since we are not going to cut ties with Israel, I guess the point is moot (pretty much like your asinine assumption).

And your solution is... ??? More of the same? It's been working out great so far. Keep your head in the sand.

I'd love to hear some of your ideas...

[bknblk]

And here would be an excellent opportunity for some good ol' diplomacy on our part. Maybe Clinton should go over and try and get those two together. Say what you want about Clinton, but he was pretty good w/ diplomacy, especially when it came to the ME.

If diplomacy doesn't work, I'd have no problem revoking US financial and military aid to Israel, as well as completely breaking off our ties to Palestine. Isolate them both until they can get along.

You would think that the people, the everyday citizenship, of both Isreal and Palestine would be so sick and tired of the fightng by now that they'd call for change in the leadership until the situation was peacefully straightened out. Israel needs to give up those settlements and Palestine needs to round up and jail those terrorists. That'd be a good start.

Until then, how much more fighting between the two? 10 years? 40? 100? It's stupid. Life's too short.


Indeed, when Clinton got Israel to offer 98% of the land these people would like to have to form a new nation the offer was rejected out of hand by the PA. They will never see another offer that even approaches the generosity of the 1998 deal. If these people wish to form a new nation, they will do so with what Israel gives them. If not, meh, Israel earned the right to control the West Bank and Gaza.

[DiscipleDOC]

And your solution is... ??? More of the same? It's been working out great so far. Keep your head in the sand.

I'd love to hear some of your ideas...
#1 Idea: STOP SUPPORTING PALESTINE AND THEIR HOMOCIDE BOMBERS
#2 Idea: HOLD PALESTINE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE PROMISES THEY MAKE ON BEING TOUGHER ON TERROR.

If you take care those two, and stop the money coming into Palestine that is going to Hamas and other terrorist groups, you will see a decline of bombers.

If you stop the clerics in Palestine from telling the would-be bombers that they will have 7 virgins and a boatload of gold waiting on them in heaven IF they kill their enemies, then your problem will go away.

Now that I've told you how to stop it, why not put your liberal 2 cents away (since they are not worth anything) and bow out of a discussion you have no idea of. :tool:

[DiscipleDOC]

Another thing: This is a quote from another member of this forum (Thanks to bknblk):
The whole idea of a Palestinian nation and a Palestinian people is an invention of Arab propaganda. Arafat was himself an Egyptian. The only people to have lived continuously on the land from time immemorial� are Jews. So many others have conquered, ruled, thrived and ultimately perished there that the list would take hundreds of pages. A mere sample would include: Byzantines, Persians, Arabs, Turks, Circassians, Kurds, Abbassids (Iraqis), Egyptians, Kharezmians (Genghis Khan), Mamluks, Mongols, Latins (Crusaders), Ottomans, French and English.

It is not and never was Palestinian land.�

[Yonkers]

And here would be an excellent opportunity for some good ol' diplomacy on our part. Maybe Clinton should go over and try and get those two together. Say what you want about Clinton, but he was pretty good w/ diplomacy, especially when it came to the ME.
Clinton did nothing my fine young brotha. Zip zero nada. Nothing came out of the Camp David accords except a photo op but nothing was resolved, Arafat rejected the offer and when home and the second intafada started but by all means tell me what Clinton did that was so great.

All said with much love and a gigglely ticklie feeling in my tummy. :D

[saturnotaku]

tell me what Clinton did that was so great.

He had sechs in the Oval Office and never inhaled. He was the greatest man who ever lived.

[Yonkers]

Israel is a very wealthy country and has more than enough military hardware to defend itself from any attack from its neighbors. Nobody is going to be "having their way" with Israel anytime soon. Your statement is absurd.
nod understand this one thing, if the US pulled out of the ME and stoped supporting Israel and Israel decided to leave that land, the killing would still go on and in fact it would be worse. Here is what would happen. Syrian who controls Lebenon would come in and take over everything BUT Jordan, the country that occupied that land before Israel would have a big beef with Syria and BOTH of those countries would start killing off the Palestinians like they did be for Israel is re-established. Then you have Egypt who won't like what is going on either and will want to protect Sini (sp). The idea that the problem in that region is the US and the Jews is obsurd since Jordan killed more Palistinians that the Jews ever did. The palistinians have been the butt-monkeh of the ME for hundreds of years. No one likes them, not even their own arab brothers.

I am pretty darn certain that BK will agree with me here.

[DiscipleDOC]

He had cigar sechs in the Oral Office! It's cigar sechs! Get it right!

[Yonkers]

He had sechs in the Oval Office and never inhaled. He was the greatest man who ever lived.
Ya it was Monika that inhaled. BAHAHAA!!!1

[DiscipleDOC]

Hmm...still no response from the Almighty "nod"...I guess he went back to his cave to dig up some more nonsense propaganda! :rolleyes2

[nod]

Well I have yet to see anybody offer-up any proposed solutions. Just a bunch of conjecture and "what-if" bull****.

It doesn't matter what the situation was last year, or ten years ago, or twenty. The reality of the situation is what it is today between Israel and Palestine. We can either stop making the same mistakes over and over again over there, or we can deal with it. The situation over there is way beyond acceptable.

Keeping your head in the sand isn't going to change things over there. Neither will maintaining current policy, which equals more of the same. You guys seem to have a hate-on for anything Arab, but that doesn't make Israel right. Both sides have, and continue to do some really nasty **** to each other, and the sooner it stops, the sooner there can be peace between them. Both sides are have an agenda. And both sides need to make concessions.

To blindly and unconditionally support one side or the other is wrong, naive, and very dangerous.

Whether or not he was effective, at the very least, Clinton had them talking and negotiating. Hopefully GBW will similarly step-in now and try to get something accomplished.

[saturnotaku]

Whether or not he was effective, at the very least, Clinton had them talking and negotiating. Hopefully GBW will similarly step-in now and try to get something accomplished.

Clinton didn't do squat.

Well I have yet to see anybody offer-up any proposed solutions. Just a bunch of conjecture and "what-if" bull****.

All right Mr. High and Mighty, let's hear your solutions. All I'm hearing out of you is well...nothing really.

[Riptide]

What I'm hearing from him is that everyone needs to butt out and let them solve the problems themselves. Am I wrong nod?

[nod]

All right Mr. High and Mighty, let's hear your solutions. All I'm hearing out of you is well...nothing really.

Hmm... did you miss page one? Before you shoot your mouth off, please read the whole thread. Makes you look really stupid when you make these pointless posts.

[Yonkers]

We can either stop making the same mistakes over and over again over there, or we can deal with it.
What is this "we" stuff? You got a turd in your pocket? This is their problem. Let them fight it out and the winner will get the spoils.
Whether or not he was effective, at the very least, Clinton had them talking and negotiating. Hopefully GBW will similarly step-in now and try to get something accomplished.
Yes of course, good intentions is equal to good results. LOL!
To blindly and unconditionally support one side or the other is wrong, naive, and very dangerous.
This is a meaningless statement. I disregards any measure of right or wrong.

[bknblk]

Hmm... did you miss page one? Before you shoot your mouth off, please read the whole thread. Makes you look really stupid when you make these pointless posts.

/me waits for the response to this one with more anticipation than Kill Bill Vol. 2

[DiscipleDOC]

/me waits for the response to this one with more anticipation than Kill Bill Vol. 2
Don't hold your breath. He rather flame and look down at people from his high and mighty horse than actually debate something :rolleyes2