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Kapp
11-24-02, 07:23 PM
Hey, I was just looking for some suggestions. I am a big music freak and want the loudest, clearist digital music possible. I currently have a SB Audigy. I just wanted to know a few things. I am about to upgrade my sound system...I have a POS 5 piece surround CA speakers. But if you guys could give me some feedback on these few quiestions it would be great!

Is it worth upgrading to the SB Audigy 2? Will I hear any difference?

Also as far as speakers go..am I able to get 6.1 speakers to work with my SB Audigy? I never had digital speakers before but I am really intrested in getting them. What is the best way to get the best sound out of my Audigy?

Any suggestions would help!

THANKS!

The Baron
11-24-02, 07:41 PM
The best way is to get a home audio system with a good Dolby Digital/DTS receiver, preferably a high-end Sony model (I think the DE945 is the highest non-ES model) and some good speakers. uBid is a great place to look for speakers, believe it or not--my bro got a $300 sub for $100, and is about to buy a pair of Tannoy speakers.

thcdru2k
11-24-02, 07:42 PM
it's all about speakers and a good amp. audigy should be good enough for music.

CWB
11-24-02, 08:54 PM
This is wierd, but: I had SB Live 5.1 and 5.1 speakers. I just bought Audigy2, used it for 2 days, and today returned it for Audigy. The Audigy 2 was clearer than the Live, high end alot cleaner, eliminated the crackling in Operation Flashpoint, etc., and all my games were noticeably faster (alot less CPU overhead), BUT:

-Even with sub maxed and same in Surround Mixer, the bass was nowhere near as deep as Live. Not just slight difference, I could easily tell in music, games, even Windows sounds (!).
-High end too "tinny". Over-all sounded like bass turned way down and treble maxed. Playing with Mixer helped but didnt fix.
-Speaker Calibration reported my speakers as wired wrong (neg. on pos. and vice versa, which I know to be untrue), and speakers popped during Windows startup.
-Unlike Live, driver interface seems a mess, with controls that used to all be in one place (AudioHQ) now divided between AHQ and a cheesy "Creative Volume Control", which caused problems if not allowed to load on start. So now to have easy access to all settings, I had to let 2 items load on start, plus there were even more than the usual gaggle of startup items & services that Creative is loathed for to hunt down and turn off.
-Stupid Splash Screen which slows Windows start kept coming back on even when I unchecked "Load on Start". My impression of drivers=cheap and sloppy.

After 2 days use, I was disappointed (especially since it was $129 which is more than Ive ever paid for a soundcard), so today I took it back and got Audigy. It seems to be best of both Aud2 & Live; all games still surprisingly faster than Live, sounds better than Live but retains powerful bass and non-"dog-whistle" high-end, same convenient driver interface with some improvements, fixes all crackling (OpFlash), speakers dont pop at start, and on top of all that it was $30 less. I was disgusted with Audigy2, but Im completely happy with Audigy, and its still a upgrade from my Live.

EDIT: I play games alot more than I listen to music, so your impressions/requirements may be different. All the reviews I read prior to purchase said that Audigy2 was much better than Audigy; I personally dont agree, but thats just my experience.

Kapp
11-25-02, 02:30 PM
Well I pretty much play games and listen to music about the same amount. What would be a good set of 6.1 digital speakers that would work great with my audigy? I'm not looking to pay over 400 dollars for a pair of computer speakers..that is totally insane..my car sound system is better anyways..lol but give me some feedback!

StealthHawk
11-25-02, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Kapp
Also as far as speakers go..am I able to get 6.1 speakers to work with my SB Audigy? I never had digital speakers before but I am really intrested in getting them. What is the best way to get the best sound out of my Audigy?

no, you can't use a 6.1 setup with an Audigy 1. only with an Audigy 2. and it maxes out there, it won't support 7.1, not like it really matters.

the Audigy 1 supports up to 5.1

thcdru2k
11-25-02, 09:38 PM
and like any games support 6.1.

StealthHawk
11-25-02, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by thcdru2k
and like any games support 6.1.

i assume that he wants it for movies. it's not like many games support 5.1 either.

The Baron
11-25-02, 10:25 PM
There might be 15 movies that support 6.1... :p

Kapp
11-25-02, 10:43 PM
StealthHawk quote:
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Originally posted by thcdru2k
and like any games support 6.1.
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i assume that he wants it for movies. it's not like many games support 5.1 either.

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Games don't support 5.1? What the hell? I thought 5.1 supports all games?

The Baron
11-25-02, 11:19 PM
Games have to have Dolby Digital support in order to use full 5.1 support. Otherwise, I think it's 4 channel (through EAX or something like that) that's expanded into 5.1.

Kapp
11-26-02, 06:24 AM
So if i get 5.1 speakers my game sound wont work??????????

The Baron
11-26-02, 07:04 AM
Your games will work, they just won't use all 5 speakers and the sub.

FastM
11-26-02, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Kapp
So if i get 5.1 speakers my game sound wont work??????????

Of course you will get sound from all your speakers, but its just copied from the 2 front channels, intead of having true surround.

Same way playing an MP3 would sound.

Kapp
11-26-02, 02:04 PM
Well what do I have to do to get my surround sound working with mp3s?

FastM
11-26-02, 02:29 PM
i just said you WILL get sound from your rear speakers when playing games and playing mp3's. But it will be the same sound that comes from the front speakers to.

In a true Surround situation only Sounds that come from behind you will come out of the rear speakers, and like some people said here hardly any games support that.

Kapp
11-26-02, 02:57 PM
Oh..alright..but overall if i got surround sound digital 5.1 speakers I will get better sound then I have now from these 5 piece speaker set made by CA? And my Sub woofer will work? WIll it be digital sound atleast??

FastM
11-26-02, 03:15 PM
As long as you have a Soundcard with a Digital-Out and a speaker system that can use a Digital Signal you'll be fine. And yes either way your sub-woofer will always work. But dont be fooled by digital, its really nothing speacial. IMO you should spend the money on a higher quality non-digital system and the sound will be the same if not better. The Digital part is only for tranporting the signal to the speakers, having it digital ensures you wont loose any signal quality on the way or pick up interference, it does not really make it sound better.

Kapp
11-26-02, 03:50 PM
really? so i won't hear any sound difference?

thcdru2k
11-26-02, 04:07 PM
nope.

Kapp
11-26-02, 04:11 PM
i think thats crazy. my digital mp3 player sounds soo good. how by using digital speakers won't i hear a difference? also won't better speakers make me be able to put my sound higher?? i know it makes it sound clearer and stuff??

fastguy94416
11-26-02, 04:21 PM
its marketing BS, don't fall into that trap. If you have $3000 dollar speakers you might be able to tell the difference between digital and analog and thats only if you use true cd quality, like 240kbps mp3's

FastM
11-26-02, 04:46 PM
your MP3 player is called Digital because the songs are stored Digitaly, same way as your HardDrive, same as a CD. Tapes are not Digital.

Notice how creative is really the only one selling Digital Sound Systems? Well they were hoping people would fall into the trap with the Digital-out's on the sound card. The only difference between a Digital Sound System and a normal one is that the Digital sound system has a built in DAC (Digital to Analog Converter). Like i mentioned before, you kinda want the source to stay digital as long as possible before coming out of your speakers (speakers are Analog) that way the signal does not degrade or pick up interference, in reality good quality wires will always prevent that.

When you talk high end, You have a CD-players with a DAC that connects to a pre-amp. Once the signal leaves the CD-player it is Analog, the pre-amp forwards it to the amp with the proper volume control, then to the speakers. Mid-Range systems have the Amplifier and Pre-Amp built into 1 peice usualy called a reciever. So you see, sound clarity at high volume has nothing to do with a Digital source (well if your source in the first place is crap, then it will never sound good...) Digital just makes sure you never loose quality over time, like sound tapes or VHS tapes did. Good quality sound at high volume has more to do with a good quality amplifier and speakers.

Kapp
11-26-02, 04:59 PM
Well all i've got right now are these 5 set CA speakers (yes the ones you always see them throwing into a computer package on tv) They only cost like 80 bucks..so I think i will hear a difference if i get 5.1 speakers..alot of people are telling 5.1 gets the best out of your audigy.

I was looking at speakers like:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?page=products/details&CRID=2&CONTENTID=5048&countryid=19&languageid=1

and

http://www.americas.creative.com/products/product.asp?product=220&category=15&maincategory=3

Tell me what you think. I'm not looking to spend over 400 on speakers.

thanks!

FastM
11-26-02, 05:41 PM
the Logi Z-680's are 100 times better than anything from creative. If you can afford them you Wont be dissapointed. The only Con i know of them is that the Center channel can sometimes sit funny on your monitor (but you can always turn the stand around and screw it into you wall above your monitor), apart from that they are awesome.