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i don't think a NV48 will match SLI 6800Ultra at 1600x1200 4xaa and 8xaf or above assuming SLI driver is working efficiently. but at lower rez it will, because of the extra clock speed.
Hmmm..Idon`t think NVs SLI is NV40 refresh-
1. it is too expensive(2 cards +MOBO which supports this technology)
2.only a few games supports SLI and give noticeable performance boost
3.You must have 550W PSU or more...
If NV want to push SLI to compete r520 they will do mistake...I hope that they have some``secret weapon``(NV48 or NV47-whatever)to compete ATIs r520 and it has performance close to ATis chip or better...I think NV is waiting for ATIs move now and then eventually will release NV48 when it will be necessery.(for example at present they don`t have to release new chip against Rx850xt pe)
killahsin
02-11-05, 03:01 AM
The most i can think of with march is if nvidia did a silent release of the nv48 and than ramped up full production of the nv50 for late fall, very early winter. But i'll be quite honest with you. The only way I can see nvidia fully killing off ati, like they did 3dfx, is by jumping a cycle. Because ati is not going to shoot themselves in the foot like 3dfx did. They have way to many genius's over there now from the art x aquisition. SGI peeps don't mess around. Their goals are to deliver pixar quality to your desktop, real time, no joke. Ask nvidia they have some of the other peeps there, lol. Which is rather weird considering their enemies now. Once allies now competitors how wierd.
XMS? o_O
nutball
02-11-05, 06:39 AM
The reason for 3DFX's demise was as much to do with wrong moves in the marketing and business strategy areas as it was with technology. I doubt the "genius" SGI people have anything to do with the marketing or strategic decisions at ATI (nor at NV), so despite your faith I think it's quite possible for either company to shoot itself in the foot and lose, regardless of how good their technology is.
Subtestube
02-11-05, 07:39 AM
Besides which, ATi has a larger overall market share than nVidia AFAIK (though on this I could be wrong). The only way nV would kill off ATi (which would be VERY bad - competition drives this industry) is if ATi did something phenomenally stupid. Neither company will be seriously looking at 'killing off' the other at this stage - they'll be looking at ways to please their shareholders by steady growth and aggressive marketing. Personally I agree with all those who see nV holding off at the moment. They simply don't need to release a new generation, as the NV4x tech should scale adequately to compete with ATi's next offering (unless ATi want to kill their own previous generation sales) so at the moment, I think it's just a waiting game.
i think nvidia has no choice but to get the fastest card availible ..... ati just uped the anti it sounds like....
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52851 some are saying that ati is gonna be showing an unreleased card ....
I hope this is more like a NVx5 refresh and not an NVx8 refresh (regardless of the name). I like NVx5 type refreshes because it's not just an addition to what's already there in the form of one higher clocked card, but a new lineup for the high end. Which should mean a new GT... which I'm hoping will also be a 6 quad card.
jbirney
02-11-05, 01:28 PM
i think nvidia has no choice but to get the fastest card availible ..... ati just uped the anti it sounds like....
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52851 some are saying that ati is gonna be showing an unreleased card ....
Some say that is just an uber-clocked version of x850... Meh who really knows??
I wonder.. how much higher can they clock an X850XT without a die shrink or water cooling? I assume they'll go with a die shrink. Has that been confirmed?
jbirney
02-11-05, 08:03 PM
I wonder.. how much higher can they clock an X850XT without a die shrink or water cooling? I assume they'll go with a die shrink. Has that been confirmed?
No dont think they will do a die shrink on the x850xt, instead have their "new" R520...what ever that is...
happy happy joy joy! patience = paid off.
Finally deciding to upgrade from that TNT2 ey? :p That's some patience you have there!! lol
bkswaney
02-13-05, 02:04 AM
No dont think they will do a die shrink on the x850xt, instead have their "new" R520...what ever that is...
"New"?
There so called new product is rumored to be
nothing more than a 850XT with smaller die, sm3.0 and a few
other features.
I'm guessing there may be a few more pipes to be unlocked to.
Subtestube
02-13-05, 02:22 AM
"New"?
There so called new product is rumored to be
nothing more than a 850XT with smaller die, sm3.0 and a few
other features.
I'm guessing there may be a few more pipes to be unlocked to.
I hate to point out, but the addition of SM 3.0 is nontrivial. Why do you think the NV40 is so ridiculously transistor heavy? The R520 is a new architecture, even if it is reliant on the R420 basic pipeline style and layout. Those few other features and SM 3.0 is what makes it new. Just to clarify, I'm not saying anything good or bad about SM 3.0, only that the addition of the requisite features, in particular dynamic branching and vertex tex lookups, are a serious thing to add.
man nvidia is being sooo tight liped about the nv48/47 very few people have mentioned anything about it .....
InqWoN1776
02-14-05, 01:26 AM
Well, they did say that they weren't going to anounce products anymore until they were available. They have held true to that since they made that statement and with the mobile products. Hopefully, they'll continue to do so.
At present NV need cheap competitors for x800xl and x800...
For example:against x800xl -----16-pipe clocked 450-500mhz with 1000-1200ghz 0.11 memory based on NV48 price:299$
and against x800----12-pipe card 450-500mhz 0.11 with 800-900mhz memory -199$
If they will release these cards(there are only my specs)they can grab a lot of market from ATI...
Pandora's Box
02-14-05, 09:00 AM
At present NV need cheap competitors for x800xl and x800...
For example:against x800xl -----16-pipe clocked 450-500mhz with 1000-1200ghz 0.11 memory based on NV48 price:299$
and against x800----12-pipe card 450-500mhz 0.11 with 800-900mhz memory -199$
If they will release these cards(there are only my specs)they can grab a lot of market from ATI...
more than likely what will happen is the 6800 GT will fall to $299 and the 6800 NU fall to $199 to make room for the refreshes.
Yes, but remember NV40 is made in 0.13 mi. and it`s expensive to produce than 0.11 mi. chip would be...
jbirney
02-14-05, 11:04 AM
"New"?
There so called new product is rumored to be
nothing more than a 850XT with smaller die, sm3.0 and a few
other features.
I'm guessing there may be a few more pipes to be unlocked to.
I put new in "" quotes as I figured some may have a problem with that. But yes if you think its the same old chip just with PS3.0 slapped in and a few other tweaks then by that logic the nv40 is the same as the nv30 just with a "few" things slapped in there as well. I think we can all agree the NV40 is not the same as an NV30 +PS3.0 + Other small things. Just as the 520 is a ground up redesign. Granted some things will be borrowed...
Pandora's Box
02-14-05, 12:36 PM
I put new in "" quotes as I figured some may have a problem with that. But yes if you think its the same old chip just with PS3.0 slapped in and a few other tweaks then by that logic the nv40 is the same as the nv30 just with a "few" things slapped in there as well. I think we can all agree the NV40 is not the same as an NV30 +PS3.0 + Other small things. Just as the 520 is a ground up redesign. Granted some things will be borrowed...
r520 is essentially a R300 which is majorly tweaked. ati have been using the r300 design since the 9700 pro. r350, r420, r430, r480. all r300 core.
curiousergeorge
02-14-05, 05:50 PM
r520 is essentially a R300 which is majorly tweaked. ati have been using the r300 design since the 9700 pro. r350, r420, r430, r480. all r300 core.
Pretty amazing that a 'tweaked R300' can keep up with Nvidia's latest and greatest not based on anything core and even beat it in some games / situations. Hm...
Just because ATI is not using a clean slate effort has nothing to do with the results. I don't know about you, but if it has SM 3.0, is fairly priced, actually available (koff) and has a good performance boost, then I think the r520 will be an acceptable design. It's all about results. It does need features. It does need speed. How this was accomplished means diddly and squat, other than as an academic issue for us to bat around on forums.
Just in case this makes it sound like I'm defending ATI, nothing could be farther from the truth, I think their lack of X800 products on the shelves has helped both companies artificially inflate the prices of this generation of high end gaming products. I'm tired of people trivializing design generations by saying oh yeah this is just like the old design when in fact it has new features and is more than twice as fast as the old product. People have said the same thing about every signle nvidia design except maybe the original GeForce and the 6800. Bottom line is clean slate designs are cool and and all but I'll take better perf./$ and new features.
InqWoN1776
02-15-05, 01:52 PM
Yeah, I mean they are always going to use parts of the old design that they think will still work for the new cards. It's their intellectual property and what not.
HEHEHEHHE I KNOW SOMETHING U GUYS DON'T!!!! W00t w00t!!!!
bkswaney
02-28-05, 04:49 AM
HEHEHEHHE I KNOW SOMETHING U GUYS DON'T!!!! W00t w00t!!!!
And what might that be???????? :angel: :p :p
So r we going to be seeing a spring release? ;)
Danhill
02-28-05, 05:27 AM
HEHEHEHHE I KNOW SOMETHING U GUYS DON'T!!!! W00t w00t!!!!
*gives muya 10 NV 40 so he can run those in Multi SLI*
Now what do you now, tell us........tell us..............
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