Religion has no place in politics

[CrazyCracka420]

We need only look to the middle ages, and a man named Copernicus (sp?) to see why not only religion, but conservatives can defy science, and "truth" and try to continue grasping on to their safety net of their own beliefs. I'll give you a little background, in the face of science, the "church" (religion) basically rejected his ideas, and his science for their 1500 year old beliefs (possibly older). And I find it the same these days, conservatives, and religion both try to preserve their "way of life" no matter what the cost, or how foolish and ignorant they look doing so. Religion has no place in politics what so ever. I do not like the idea of people trying to control other people's private lives.
I smoke weed, and I find it almost hillarious how people can blame all of our problems in society, because I choose to smoke in the privacy of my home. To me that is completely ignorant, and goes along with the whole reason religion should not be in government, because regardless of the fact, I am not hurting anyone but myself, people feel the need to step in and put their 2 cents on the issue (w/ the 1937 marijuana tax act).
Then there is the issue of homosexuality, and gay marriage. I for one am 110% against being gay. I find it wrong on many levels, but regardless of how I personally feel about the issue, I also feel very strongly that people are people, and should not be discriminated against, (unless they are somehow taking away from your civil liberties/rights, which I find hard to say gay people hurt you somehow). I find it disgusting, and wrong morally, and scientifically, but that does not make it okay for me to oppress a whole people because I personally disagree with something. Gay marriage is not about "destroying the fabric of marriage" it's about those people trying to get the same rights as any other "couples" who have been together for a long time. They want the same death benefits, and the ability to get their partners belongings when they pass away, w/o a huge struggle. I see nothing wrong with that. And I feel that anyone who is against gay marriage, either hasn't pondered the issue for long enough, or is pretty ignorant. It's about tolerance people, you can believe one thing, and still tolerate the complete opposite, it's whether you choose to or not. And guess what our forefathers choose to do, the same thing as the people who disagree with gay marriage, they made it so women, and minorities were 2nd class citizens because they weren't "part of the group". That is the same way I view people who want to say gay people can't get married, as oppressors.

[vampireuk]

So weed does no harm to the country but religion is eeeeeebil :eek2:

Do not pass go do not collection $200

You yourself seem to be completely intolerant of religion, best hold the tolerance preaching I guess :thumbsup:

[saturnotaku]

I'd try to respond to this, but I can't make heads or tails of where it was going. So here's a banana humping another banana. :nanahump:

[Riptide]

Someone find that picture of the rabbit with a pancake on his head. :)

[CrazyCracka420]

So weed does no harm to the country but religion is eeeeeebil :eek2:

Do not pass go do not collection $200

You yourself seem to be completely intolerant of religion, best hold the tolerance preaching I guess :thumbsup:


So according to your logic, I"m saying weed and government should mix? I didn't say that, so your taking what I said out of context. I said religion and politics should not be intertwined, what you do on your own time, that I could care less about, it's what you do that has lasting effects for every american, that I have issue with.

P.S. It's do not COLLECT 200 dollars, not collection, but thanks for trying.

[vampireuk]

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[CrazyCracka420]

You'd have some idea what I was talking about if you took the **** out of your ears.

[Clay]

So according to your logic, I"m saying weed and government should mix? I didn't say that, so your taking what I said out of context. I said religion and politics should not be intertwined, what you do on your own time, that I could care less about, it's what you do that has lasting effects for every american, that I have issue with.

P.S. It's do not COLLECT 200 dollars, not collection, but thanks for trying.
American is a proper noun the last time I checked, so ease up on the grammar checking...it's so tired. ;)

I smoke weed, and I find it almost hillarious how people can blame all of our problems in society, because I choose to smoke in the privacy of my home. To me that is completely ignorant, and goes along with the whole reason religion should not be in government, because regardless of the fact, I am not hurting anyone but myselfSo you never drive a vehicle while under the influence of pot? :bleh:

[Ninjaman09]

Whoa buddy, slow down. Are you arguing against religion in politics, for legalizing marijuana, or for gay marriage? Pick one and stick to it. :thumbsup:

[vampireuk]

You'd have some idea what I was talking about if you took the **** out of your ears.

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[Clay]

You'd have some idea what I was talking about if you took the **** out of your ears.You sound much more intelligent and validated when quoting Copernicus and referring to tax acts from the 1930s.

[Rakeesh]

You'd have some idea what I was talking about if you took the **** out of your ears.

If you look more towards the right center of your keyboard, theres this key labeled 'enter'. It is two keys below the backspace button and one key above the right shift button. This key has many uses, such as committing command entries typed into your computer and for inputting something called carraige returns when formatting documents. Carraige returns are quite useful, they allow you to separate your thoughts into different sections of your writing called "paragraphs." Observe.

Now I can separate different ideas into these different "paragraphs" which make everything I say easier for the onlookers to understand. Remember, don't be afraid to try new things. The enter key is your friend, I recommend you try it someday.

[CrazyCracka420]

You sound much more intelligent and validated when quoting Copernicus and referring to tax acts from the 1930s.


I was referring to an obviously very intelligent and very mature person, so ya, I respond in kind, especially online, I don't care what you personally think about me, it's the idea's of equality and tolerance to me that matter. And I think religion is anti-tolerance, anti-equality. Since when was a peace loving, pot smoking hippie ever promoting oppression, or putting himself above others? I would be shocked to find one.

[CrazyCracka420]

If you look more towards the right center of your keyboard, theres this key labeled 'enter'. It is two keys below the backspace button and one key above the right shift button. This key has many uses, such as committing command entries typed into your computer and for inputting something called carraige returns when formatting documents. Carraige returns are quite useful, they allow you to separate your thoughts into different sections of your writing called "paragraphs." Observe.

Now I can separate different ideas into these different "paragraphs" which make everything I say easier for the onlookers to understand. Remember, don't be afraid to try new things. The enter key is your friend, I recommend you try it someday.

If you were to go and scroll up about all the way up, you will notice, I do seperate my thoughts into paragraphs, sorry it's not formatted the way you would like, with 2 returns between paragraphs...I'm sure though if you were to "decipher" my writing, you would probably disagree with me, no?

[Riptide]

Whoa buddy, slow down. Are you arguing against religion in politics, for legalizing marijuana, or for gay marriage? Pick one and stick to it. :thumbsup:
That's exactly what I was thinking. Must...have...focus.

[vampireuk]

Don't preach tolerance when you have no idea about religion in the first place and are allowing your own intolerance of religion to influence your posting.

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[CrazyCracka420]

That's exactly what I was thinking. Must...have...focus.
They kind of relate though, and that was what I was getting at, more than religion, more than weed, more than fag's, I think we are in a state of group think in this country, and the fact that many american's agree with oppression, is what disturbs me most. That is the point I was getting at, even though I didn't really stay on topic, sorry! SHoot me... :eek:

[vampireuk]

What opression? What are you been forced to do against your will? Is anybody forcing you to pray?

[CrazyCracka420]

Don't preach tolerance when you have no idea about religion in the first place and are allowing your own intolerance of religion to influence your posting.

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I grew up catholic my whole life. I probably know more about most religions than people who currently are religious. So you would tell me that Copernicus was not killed because he believed what we have proven today, that the moon goes around the earth, and the earth goes around the sun? Because he was, and regardless of his efforts to enlighten the religious community, instead of admitting they were wrong, they would rather just kill him to preserve there way of life, or their idea's. If it can happen then, it can happen now, and that is why I believe religion has no place in politics, for the simple reason they believe that their "views" are right, no matter what science or "truth/facts" has to say about it.

[Yonkers]

This is what is so wrong with those who wish to eliminate religion from the public arena. They to go back 5 houndred years to make a point. They also ignore the fact that it was Christians who founded America. It was Christians in England and then in America who started the abolitionist movement. It was a Christian pastor who lead the equal rights movmement. All of these were very much political as well as social.

There was also a Austrian monk who was a botanist who discovered how heredity works. His name was Gregor Mendel. I am sure you have heard of him. Now his work was ignored for a long time and yes you can blame the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR THIS! In other words stop your pathetic blanket stereotyping of all Christians because of what the Church in Rome did 500 years ago. I personally am not and never have been Catholic.

As far as your main point goes, religion and politics is completely accepted under the constitution so basically your argument has no basis.

On the other hand I can make a great argument on how human secularist govenments are the most distructive in the history of the world.

[Riptide]

The world is a different place. Just because it could happen then... does not mean it is likely to happen now. Noone is killed in this country for their beliefs, it is their actions that bring about their fate.

[vampireuk]

I grew up catholic my whole life. I probably know more about most religions than people who currently are religious. So you would tell me that Copernicus was not killed because he believed what we have proven today, that the moon goes around the earth, and the earth goes around the sun? Because he was, and regardless of his efforts to enlighten the religious community, instead of admitting they were wrong, they would rather just kill him to preserve there way of life, or their idea's. If it can happen then, it can happen now, and that is why I believe religion has no place in politics, for the simple reason they believe that their "views" are right, no matter what science or "truth/facts" has to say about it.

And what the hell does the middle ages have to do with today? Religion has since moved on from those times, I just wish you were paying attention when you were been brought up as a child, when was the last crucifiction you saw in the US?

[DaveW]

I think basically his arguement is that you don't want crazy ultra-right wing religious fanatics running the country. I'd agree with that. His post tried to address three different things at the same time and was difficult to follow.

[vampireuk]

So in other words his post was pointing out the bleedin obvious :p

There are religious men in politics today and nobody has been crucified and there are no inquisitions.

[Riptide]

I agree DaveW. I also think he needs to tackle one thing at a time and be a bit clearer about it.