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i know not many Americans care about the NHL lockout, and i have to admit, too, that i'm getting realllly tired of lockout talk here in Tdot, and i have never posted an update of negotiations until now, so here is the latest: nothing has happened. yet. the players are still locked out. there is still talking between the two sides going on (no one knows why, since it's way too late for any meaningful season to happen). the fans have moved on (me, i'm watching Euro soccer and am attending OHL games).
so, the NHL and NHLPA have done the impossible and improbable: they've pissed off Canadians, who live and breath hockey (it is our national sport, one that we play all year round, whether it is on an outdoor rink in the winter, or street hockey in the summer. hockey is OUR game). oh well, please cancel the season now, so we can move on. the NBA season is getting interesting, and, before you know it, MLB will be back, and the lost NHL season will be forgotten, as we venture out of our igloos and fire up the BBQs, crack open beers, and enjoy the spring/summer seasons. :D
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=113764
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How popular is the nhl in America?
GamerGuyX
02-08-05, 05:16 PM
How popular is the nhl in America?
VERY popular. I don't know what bigC was thinking when he wrote that. The NHL is after all an American hockey league.
VERY popular. I don't know what bigC was thinking when he wrote that. The NHL is after all an American hockey league.the NHL was founded by Canadians, and, until Betteman took charge, was run primarily by Canadians. while there are an increasing number of Euros and Yanks in the league, Canucks still make over 50% of the players. the NHL is still very popular in Canada, and a few cities in the US, like Detroit or Colorado, but not in places like Carolina, Florida, Nashville .... and all the other false hockey markets that the NHL expanded into in a mad money rush. hockey is a Canadian game that expanded into the US.
attendence for a lot of cities in the US is in serious decline, and has been doing so for years. even traditional markets like Boston and Chicago are struggling at the gate. there is no major US tv deal: the NHL signed one with NBC for $0 (they guaranteed NBC that the network would lose no money, and would co-produce the games with the league). and, in the recent years, the NHL was relegated to ESPN2 where shows like spelling bees or poker were consistently getting better numbers than it. there is little to no hockey talk in the US about the lock-out. so, if the definition of VERY popular has changed recently, the game and league is in serious trouble in the US.
-=Gib-McFragger=-
02-08-05, 10:31 PM
the NHL was founded by Canadians, and, until Betteman took charge, was run primarily by Canadians. while there are an increasing number of Euros and Yanks in the league, Canucks still make over 50% of the players. the NHL is still very popular in Canada, and a few cities in the US, like Detroit or Colorado, but not in places like Carolina, Florida, Nashville .... and all the other false hockey markets that the NHL expanded into in a mad money rush. hockey is a Canadian game that expanded into the US.
attendence for a lot of cities in the US is in serious decline, and has been doing so for years. even traditional markets like Boston and Chicago are struggling at the gate. there is no major US tv deal: the NHL signed one with NBC for $0 (they guaranteed NBC that the network would lose no money, and would co-produce the games with the league). and, in the recent years, the NHL was relegated to ESPN2 where shows like spelling bees or poker were consistently getting better numbers than it. there is little to no hockey talk in the US about the lock-out. so, if the definition of VERY popular has changed recently, the game and league is in serious trouble in the US.
Tru dat™ :thumbsup:
PS Calling Toronto "TDot" doesn't suddenly make it cool. :p
Yonkers
02-09-05, 02:20 AM
I think the same thing abou the NHL is I did about Baseball when they had a strike. F em. I refused to watch them or spend any money on them until they get their act together.
stncttr908
02-09-05, 03:53 PM
How popular is the nhl in America?
Popular enough that the league and its teams hemorrhage millions each year. :cool:
please Bettman, cancel the season, now. the NHLPA rejects yet another proposal (albeit a rather thinly veiled attempt at backdooring a cap into the league) but at least it was something. the players have done nothing since Dec when they proposed the 24% solution.
both sides are so entrenched in their views (salary cap vs "open market") that nothing will ever get done, no deal will get made. the average player's career is around 4 years: lose a year or 2, and they will be out considerable money without the ability to get it back, while the older players will be forced out of the game due to inactivity, all the while the teams are losing less money then if the league was operating. the NHLPA cannot win; right now Goodenow is just trying to save face (he doesn't care about the players, just the top-earning stars, otherwise a deal would have been made to protect jobs). cancel the season, revenues will go down whenever the league starts up again, and the players still lose, as the pie becomes smaller and smaller. better the pie they have now, roughly a possible 55% of a $2 billion industry (current revenues), then a $1.5 or $1 billion industry.
several players throughout this fiasco have said that they will never play in a league with a cap, (methinks it was Bryan McCabe who said he'd rather work at McDonalds), yet, some have flocked to Europe to play for far less then the millions they could be earning with the NHL, some have signed with the "United Hockey League" which operates under a cap (ironic?), and others are playing in beer leagues in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. this is the mentality of the player: all or nothing. they think they are the show, that without them, the NHL would die. hardly. it doesn't really matter who they get to fill the jerseys, i cheer for teams (i'd watch replacement players if the game was played well, rather then the watered down trap-boring style of the current crop of players. players come and go, are traded or go into free agency, but the team persists, it's history, records, etc.). the tail cannot wag the dog, the talent cannot dictate to the owners how much they get paid and under what rules.
the OHL is a great league (minor hockey in Ontario). it's great hockey played by teens: who cares who they are, it's an entertaining game played with enthusiam. break the so-called union, fix the game, no matter how long it takes, and don't come back until it is done.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=114287
if you can believe this poll, around 40% of Canadians surveyed said they don't miss the NHL. if we make up the most ardent fan base of the NHL, what are people deeling in Nashville, Phoenix, or eslewhere in the States.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=114320
Yonkers
02-09-05, 08:35 PM
I believe it. The people are tired with over paid atheletes and owners and thier crying about money. People just want to watch the sport to escape the daily drama of life.
When Major League Baseball went on strike people flocked to the minor league games. I for one did and it was a blast and much much cheaper.
I believe it. The people are tired with over paid atheletes and owners and thier crying about money. People just want to watch the sport to escape the daily drama of life.
When Major League Baseball went on strike people flocked to the minor league games. I for one did and it was a blast and much much cheaper.agreed, minor sports is great. the OHL is actually an entertaining brand of hockey, and at $15 a seat, it's really affordable, too.
Bettman has set a deadline of this weekend to save the season. kinda late in the game to be setting deadlines, especially with both sides so entrenched and no signs that they're going to change their views anytime soon. if the saeson is saved (laughter ensues) they'll likely play a 28 game schedule.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=114287
the games I attended in tampa bay were awesome... I mean come on... ice... in tampa... and we won the title :D
here in austin we don't have a full-blown nhl team but we have our ICE BATS :cool: and they play pretty decent...
plus right next to the Dell HQ is the Dell Diamond for minor league ball... ace field and ace entertainment after 10-12 hrs of work...
the NHL players btw, as a percentage of their earnings v/s total revenue, make more than any other pro setup, be it the nba/mlb or the nfl (nfl is the lowest btw)
and they want MORE and are not willing to compromise... I don't see a positive resolution anytime soon till next "season" rolls around unless there is some major breakthrough...
good news. the season that never was is one step closer to being finally put to rest. it should be over by Monday at the latest. the NHL has said it won't offer another deal. the NHLPA has said they cannot find common ground, that having any more meetings are "pointless". good. let the players rot, since they have the most to lose.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=114434
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp;jsessionid=EINFADBNELGD?content=200502 10_155416_392
kjmattson
02-10-05, 08:10 PM
the NHL is still very popular in Canada, and a few cities in the US, like Detroit or Colorado
I saw an ESPN poll where the question was "Do you care about the NHL season being locked-out?". They then broke down the results by state, and the only one that came close to caring was Michigan. Even then, it was something like 42% cared and 58% didn't. I was one that said that I cared, because I can't stand being without my Wings :(
the NHL All Star game in Atlanta today is, of course, cancelled, along with the rest of the season (soon). i can't say i miss that gloried shinny game, which barely ressembles actual hockey.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=114832
the NHL is going to cancel the season on Wednesday. there has been talk in the media here that the lockout may last until next January, or even wipe out the next season entirely, basically crippling the league. with rumours of the possible creation of a Euro Super league, the NHL may become irrelevant. Euros may rather choose to stay in Europe, and, with some 400 NHLers playing there now, maybe even some Canadian and US players will stay, if salaries are comparable. travel would definitely be easier, and there is a larger fan base in Europe than in N/America.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=114925
kjmattson
02-14-05, 09:20 PM
:(
sigh.
with less then 24 hours until the season is finally cancelled, the NHLPA thinks that it can live with a cap, even though for years now they have said that they could not live with a salary cap. linkage (ie, salaries linked to a percentage of league earnings from the previous year) may be off the table, a part of the proposed NHL deal that the PA could not agree to. please, i beg both parties, just resolve this issue once and for all.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=115014
more:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp;jsessionid=BEEGEOCLJMGD?content=200502 15_102404_5036
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/shownews.jsp?content=h021508A
Game Over:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature.asp?fid=9329
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp;jsessionid=PGBGFGMBENGD?content=200502 16_113559_2816
1337_Like_ThaT
02-16-05, 08:36 PM
:thumbdwn:
like Lazarus, or the cat that came back, the very next day, reports of the NHL's death may have been exagerated. they are still talking, and may "uncancel" the season if a deal can be reached, soon (ie, a shortened season would have to start before March 01). the agony never ends with the season that never was.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=115396
more: an agreement in principle? until documents are signed, this is all speculation. this could all be fiction, or the talks could easily collapse, or either side may not ratify any deal (for the league, if 8 owners vote against a deal, it is scuttled). this should have happened months ago, not after the season was cancelled.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=115396
http://www.thn.com/en/headlines/detail.asp?id=27358&cat=954945254360
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