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Yonkers
02-11-05, 12:14 PM
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005021109090001672648&dt=20050211090900&w=APO&coview=

The Democrative party can dring a nice warm frosty mug of SHUT YOUR PIE-HOLE! After 4 years of non-stop attacks on the president, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice and even Newt who has not been in congress for 6 or so years. Your a bunch of sniveling babies that really needs to go back into the wet seamy sloppy womb you were squirted out of.

Here is their argument.

Senate Democrats demanded Thursday that President Bush order a halt to personal attacks on the party's leader, Sen. Harry Reid,
and here are the "personal" attacks.
The RNC distributed a 13-page compilation of criticisms, dissecting Reid's voting record and accusing him of obstructing Bush's agenda over the years. One portion of the document notes that the Nevada lawmaker lives in a costly condominium when he is in Washington - a point that Democrats said has no bearing on policy disputes with the White House.
Of all the low underhanded stunds. The RNC has the NERVE! neigh the GALL to dissect his voting record and to top it off they claim he lives in a costly condominium while in Washington DC.

SAY IT AIN'T SO!

oldsk00l
02-11-05, 01:08 PM
hahaha, reminds me of the whole John Kerry smear thing..."GEORGE BUSH HIMSELF IS SMEARING MEEEEE!!!"

bknblk
02-12-05, 12:16 AM
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005021109090001672648&dt=20050211090900&w=APO&coview=

The Democrative party can dring a nice warm frosty mug of SHUT YOUR PIE-HOLE! After 4 years of non-stop attacks on the president, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice and even Newt who has not been in congress for 6 or so years. Your a bunch of sniveling babies that really needs to go back into the wet seamy sloppy womb you were squirted out of.

Here is their argument.


and here are the "personal" attacks.

Of all the low underhanded stunds. The RNC has the NERVE! neigh the GALL to dissect his voting record and to top it off they claim he lives in a costly condominium while in Washington DC.

SAY IT AIN'T SO!

Yonkers, Harry Reid has never had a successful business, nor has he ever made money in the private sector, but somehow this clown is worth over $50 million. This is a guy that never shuts up about how he still lives in Searchlight, NV (a dump like you have never seen) and is a man of the people. OK, man of the people, enlighten us on how you made that 50 mil when you have never been a business man. I hate the fact that I am currently spending about 80% of my time in this hellhole of a state(at least it is a red state).

Vagrant Zero
02-12-05, 03:34 AM
I have not in any way, shape, or form read anything pertaining to this thread. I simply had to post it thanks to its title. My penis demanded it of me.

superklye
02-12-05, 03:35 AM
I hate Democrats/liberals and I think, no matter what this thread is about, this post is justifed due to that hatred.

Acid Rain
02-12-05, 04:41 AM
I hate Democrats/liberals and I think, no matter what this thread is about, this post is justifed due to that hatred.

Hate? Pretty strong word. If it's the correct one for you, that's a whole lotta hating.

I highly doubt you would hate me if you met me. In fact (going out on limb), you'd probably like me, and understand where I come from, perhaps even agreeing with me on many things.

Some liberals are pretty decent folks, as are some republicans.

Doesn't "liberal" basically mean being tolerant, reasonable, respectful of others, and somewhat generous?

Are these not good things? I think people are defining "liberal" incorrectly.

Only those stubbornly set in their ways would think these things are bad.

Liberal

A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties.

A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets.

Broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions".

Having political or social views favoring reform and progress.

Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition.

These are good things, guys!!! Come on, let's move forward!!!

saturnotaku
02-12-05, 06:47 AM
Liberal

A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties.

A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets.

Broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions".

Having political or social views favoring reform and progress.

Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition.

These are good things, guys!!! Come on, let's move forward!!!

We wouldn't have as big a problem with modern liberals if they actually adhered to these principles. Today's liberals are all about socialism and forcing of their agenda of "tolerance" by legislation from the bench.

Yonkers
02-12-05, 06:49 AM
Doesn't "liberal" basically mean being tolerant, reasonable, respectful of others, and somewhat generous?
Liberals are not tolerant. If they are so tolerant they why do they hate the idea of Christians in politics? Here is a beautifull example of liberal tolerance, a week ago Howard Dean said "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for". I don't think I need to comment any further here.

Reasonable? In what fashion. Do you mean opposing perental notification for underaged girls who seek abortions as reasonable?

Respectfull: Yes I am sure that noose around the solier's neck was pretty respectfull.

A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets.
This one is a gem. Hilary tried to take over and nationalize health care. How is that a self regulating market. It is the liberals who started the "great society" and New Deal programs like Social Security. How are ANY of those self regulating or "hands off"? It is the leberals in congress today who are OPPOSED to taking a portion of a person's social security and investing it into a private account. That is going from government control wich would NOT be laissez-faire to a self regulating market that are private accounts. So where did you come up with this term?
Broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions".
Liberals cinsider a person broad minded or not narrow minded if you agree with them. Liberals are NOT open-minded. They are moral relitavists. They want NO judgement on morality and there for have no standards of morality and are opposed to them.

The one that realy got me was "generious" the only theing liberals are generious with is OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY! They love to TAKE money from one group of people that work hard and give it to another group that may or not be trying at all to even work. Other than that liberals are the LEAST generious people in the political landscape today. Here is one example. I was at a Bruce Springsteen concert the last time he came up here and he gave a PSA about a food shelter and that they should give to the shelter wich has stands outside the arena. Well I didn't see ONE damn person even looking at the food shelter stands except ME a very conservative and very evangelical Christian. There is NOTHING more hypocritical than a group of concert-going, aging Hipsters talking about compassion. Mind you 99.9% of the people who go to Springsteen concerts are big time LIBERALS! I should know I have gone to 15 or so of Springsteen's concerts over the years.

If liberals are so generius then why are most charities Christian based?
Having political or social views favoring reform and progress.
Oh really!? Name one reform liberals favor today other than moving towards a socialist style of goverment and removing George W. Bush from office? NAME ONE! All I hear from the liberals is NO! NO! NO! They don't want to reform social security and in fact they ardently say there is not social security crisis, when it was the LIBERALS in the 90s and one in particular named Bill Clinton that first talked about the social security crisis but now it seems as if it just went away and every thing is hunky dory. No the truth is there no type of reform that the liberals favore today. Shoot we are trying to reform Iraq and the liberals say NO!
Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition.
The core of liberalism is socialism. that is it own orthodoxy and its own tradition.

Tolerant to liberals mean "agree with my wacked out position or else your a biggot, Nazi, racist, homophobic redned-redstate narrow-minded, war hawk" Yet it is the liberals who want to push all religion out of the public arena.

Yonkers
02-12-05, 07:21 AM
We wouldn't have as big a problem with modern liberals if they actually adhered to these principles. Today's liberals are all about socialism and forcing of their agenda of "tolerance" by legislation from the bench.
I still would. I don't agree with any of those. They are just slogans.

sytaylor
02-12-05, 10:22 AM
There is a big difference between what the world liberal means and what those who are labelled liberal believe.

oldsk00l
02-12-05, 10:30 AM
Yonkers, Harry Reid has never had a successful business, nor has he ever made money in the private sector, but somehow this clown is worth over $50 million. This is a guy that never shuts up about how he still lives in Searchlight, NV (a dump like you have never seen) and is a man of the people. OK, man of the people, enlighten us on how you made that 50 mil when you have never been a business man. I hate the fact that I am currently spending about 80% of my time in this hellhole of a state(at least it is a red state).
Dude, I use to live in Elko. After all the gold mine layoffs I ended up moving to Colorado.

I swear, they could have filmed ALL of the Mars sequences in Total Recall in Elko. The only reason for EVER visiting NV is the gambling and wh.orehouses.

Other than that, nuclear testing certainly sounds appropriate, the land is a barren wasteland as far as the eye can see.

My condolences man, and I truly do hope you get the chance to leave soon.

Yonkers
02-12-05, 10:37 AM
There is a big difference between what the world liberal means and what those who are labelled liberal believe.
Umm, no. There is a big difference between what Liberals SAY they believe in and what they actually believe in. ;)

sytaylor
02-12-05, 10:51 AM
We've been through this before and you conceeded that by dictionary definition you are labelling people as liberals who aren't.

Yonkers
02-12-05, 11:01 AM
No, I conceeded that the dictionary is saying one thing and I am using liberal as another thing because liberals DO NOT fall under the dictionary term.

sytaylor
02-12-05, 12:24 PM
'sactly, which is why I pointed it out in leui of the repost you gave shadowcast...

That said I honestly believe I am a dictionary defintion liberal conservative :)

superklye
02-12-05, 12:28 PM
Hate? Pretty strong word. If it's the correct one for you, that's a whole lotta hating.

I highly doubt you would hate me if you met me. In fact (going out on limb), you'd probably like me, and understand where I come from, perhaps even agreeing with me on many things.

Some liberals are pretty decent folks, as are some republicans.

Doesn't "liberal" basically mean being tolerant, reasonable, respectful of others, and somewhat generous?

Are these not good things? I think people are defining "liberal" incorrectly.

Only those stubbornly set in their ways would think these things are bad.

Liberal

A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties.

A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets.

Broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions".

Having political or social views favoring reform and progress.

Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition.

These are good things, guys!!! Come on, let's move forward!!!
See, when I say I hate them, I hate the ones like Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy and Tom Daschle...the outspoken douchelord liberals and the normal people that act like them.

But most liberals, that are on the left-side of moderate, I've got no problem with. I have tons of liberal friends, we just agree to disagree and not to talk politics because we end up screaming and pissed off.

But man...do I ever hate Ted Kennedy. And I guess it's the people like him that really make me hate liberals, becuase I hear "liberal" and immediately think "Ted Kennedy" and then get into a murderous rage. It isn't fair to everyone else, and to be a complete Democrat about it: it's Ted Kennedy's fault that I hate liberals. :)

I hope people don't take offense when I say it, and if you do: I'm sorry. PM me, if I pissed off anyone, and I'll gladly talk to you one-to-one. :)

Yonkers
02-12-05, 12:41 PM
That is whom I hate when I say I hate liberals. It is not the average person who might be on the left but still loves the country and wants to see it prospure. I hate the leaders. The movers and shakers. The Noam Chumpskis of the world. I dispise these America haters with a passion and yes Noam DOES hate America. He has said so before.

Yonkers
02-12-05, 12:43 PM
'sactly, which is why I pointed it out in leui of the repost you gave shadowcast...

That said I honestly believe I am a dictionary defintion liberal conservative :)
I would say you are fiscally conservative and socially liberal but not a liberal conservative. :D How is that for splitting hairs? :P

Acid Rain
02-12-05, 02:20 PM
Liberals are not tolerant. If they are so tolerant they why do they hate the idea of Christians in politics? Here is a beautifull example of liberal tolerance, a week ago Howard Dean said "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for". I don't think I need to comment any further here.

Alright, you dove in WAYYYY too far. Just took up your hate and ran with it.

Anyway, just to make things clearer, let's OMIT "liberal poloticians".

Most politicians from either camp are punks, and you know it.

Oh, and to respond to your hating Christians in politics deal, I have yet to meet more intolerant people than Christians (don't pelt me, people).

Being Christian today, for a great many people, simply means you have a right to hate people who are different, and you are righteous enough that your word is the last word.

Perhaps a true liberal rejects religion (particularly Christianity) from politics due to the highly intolerant nature of the current Christians.

No, I conceeded that the dictionary is saying one thing and I am using liberal as another thing because liberals DO NOT fall under the dictionary term.
Then they aren't liberals. Call them something else. :rolleyes:

oldsk00l
02-12-05, 03:29 PM
Hate? Pretty strong word. If it's the correct one for you, that's a whole lotta hating.

I highly doubt you would hate me if you met me. In fact (going out on limb), you'd probably like me, and understand where I come from, perhaps even agreeing with me on many things.

Some liberals are pretty decent folks, as are some republicans.

Doesn't "liberal" basically mean being tolerant, reasonable, respectful of others, and somewhat generous?

Are these not good things? I think people are defining "liberal" incorrectly.

Only those stubbornly set in their ways would think these things are bad.

Liberal

A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties.

A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets.

Broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions".

Having political or social views favoring reform and progress.

Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition.

These are good things, guys!!! Come on, let's move forward!!!

good point

However the term "liberal" is a bad thing here, and means the opposite of all that due to the examples of:

John Kerry
Ted Kennedy
Harry Reid
Hillary Clinton
Tom Daschle (WHO GOT PWN3D HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
Bill Clinton

amongst many liberal IDIOTS who are self-serving, egotistical, primadonna, gluttonish, backstabbing, doubletalking, traitors

so you're right, let's move on...away from public officials that today call themselves "liberal" when in fact they are far from it.

JFK was a liberal democrat, he pushed for tax cuts and economic interests...funny that's what conservative republicans today push for......

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Don't call the leaders of the democratic party "liberal" then, they've been lying through their teeth in saying they are "liberal" by technical definition. However since they've labelled themselves "liberals" they have destroyed the true meaning of the term. Dictionary's change too dude, and the 1950's definition of "liberal" is no longer applicable. Same as the term gay, which no longer means happy.

oldsk00l
02-12-05, 03:32 PM
Alright, you dove in WAYYYY too far. Just took up your hate and ran with it.

Anyway, just to make things clearer, let's OMIT "liberal poloticians".

Most politicians from either camp are punks, and you know it.

Oh, and to respond to your hating Christians in politics deal, I have yet to meet more intolerant people than Christians (don't pelt me, people).

Being Christian today, for a great many people, simply means you have a right to hate people who are different, and you are righteous enough that your word is the last word.

Perhaps a true liberal rejects religion (particularly Christianity) from politics due to the highly intolerant nature of the current Christians.


Then they aren't liberals. Call them something else. :rolleyes:


Funny, I'm not Christian at all, and no christians here, in my community or greater region have had a problem tolerating me. Funny, I find them all hard-working, kind, generous, self-less people who realize they make mistakes too and aren't on an ego-trip about it.

I enjoyed this gold though

Oh, and to respond to your hating Christians in politics deal, I have yet to meet more intolerant people than Christians (don't pelt me, people).

Being Christian today, for a great many people, simply means you have a right to hate people who are different, and you are righteous enough that your word is the last word.

I think if you replace the word "Christians" with "Muslims" that you'd have a much more accurate description there. However, instead of doing that you put "Christian" in there and made an ass out of yourself entirely.

Yonkers
02-12-05, 03:52 PM
Alright, you dove in WAYYYY too far. Just took up your hate and ran with it.

Anyway, just to make things clearer, let's OMIT "liberal poloticians".

Most politicians from either camp are punks, and you know it.

Oh, and to respond to your hating Christians in politics deal, I have yet to meet more intolerant people than Christians (don't pelt me, people).

Being Christian today, for a great many people, simply means you have a right to hate people who are different, and you are righteous enough that your word is the last word.

Perhaps a true liberal rejects religion (particularly Christianity) from politics due to the highly intolerant nature of the current Christians.


Then they aren't liberals. Call them something else. :rolleyes:

So you admit that you are intolerant of Christians... at least your honest.

The funny thing is you did exactly what you said I am doing. The difference is I really don't care if you think I am intolerant. As I said I reject the whole liberal notion of tolerance.

I also find it funny that when ever we are in a discussion with a liberal they tend not to talk about the issue but rather focus in on our "intolerance" all the while not practicing what you preach.

Well good luck with this. I will fight your failed ideaologies every step of the way after all I AM INTOLERANT of liberal ideas. :D

Acid Rain
02-12-05, 04:15 PM
I think if you replace the word "Christians" with "Muslims" that you'd have a much more accurate description there. However, instead of doing that you put "Christian" in there and made an ass out of yourself entirely.

How is my speaking from experience and replying honestly making me an ass?

Also, I use words like "many", "most", and "some" to keep you from misconceptions and protect the integrity of my statements, but you guys just aren't getting it. You don't want to get it.

You are blowing things out of proportion and letting your bias get in the way of accurate analysis of my statements.

But, anyway, I am sure you are decent people and am weighing your replies honestly, gleaning the bits and pieces that make sense, so I can benefit from your wisdom. :cool:

Acid Rain
02-12-05, 04:29 PM
So you admit that you are intolerant of Christians... at least your honest.
If you carefully read my post, you'll find that it never says that. It's stated VERY carefully, take it LITERALLY.

I also find it funny that when ever we are in a discussion with a liberal they tend not to talk about the issue but rather focus in on our "intolerance" all the while not practicing what you preach.

Got it. Talk about another issue then. To me, this is just one of several.

By the way, don't go thinking "Oooo I am a conservative and this guy's a liberal, oooo nothing he says is correct and he is just like all those other morons.

I differ from the "morons" in so many ways it's disgusting. I am basically my own stereo-type. I am honestly seeking answers and trying to be as fair as possible, while also stating my honest viewpoint on the matters.

If you have wisdom that I can hybridize into mine, I will gladly do so.

Hey, Yonkers, oldsk00l, how old are you guys? You both remind me of my best friend, believe it or not. ;)

oldsk00l
02-12-05, 04:37 PM
How is my speaking from experience and replying honestly making me an ass?

Also, I use words like "many", "most", and "some" to keep you from misconceptions and protect the integrity of my statements, but you guys just aren't getting it. You don't want to get it.

You are blowing things out of proportion and letting your bias get in the way of accurate analysis of my statements.

But, anyway, I am sure you are decent people and am weighing your replies honestly, gleaning the bits and pieces that make sense, so I can benefit from your wisdom. :cool:

Then why did you say this?

Oh, and to respond to your hating Christians in politics deal, I have yet to meet more intolerant people than Christians (don't pelt me, people).

That's pretty blanket, then you go onto the next part of your post using "other words". You did, however, infer that as a general statement. You can edit your post, but you can't edit my quote.

Quite frankly, you come off as condescending and insulting. Piss off loser.

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Nothing pisses me off more than a dodging, self described paragon of virtue, self-aggrandizing person who is trying to tell us what we see and know. I KNOW that Christians are actually quite tolerant kind people where hate is far from their practice. You're VERY condescending in your posts, and have NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE backing up what you say. You also have a history of doing this. Know that you made an enemy of me in these forums based on your track record and statements.

Until you call off that BS you stated earlier your credibility here is shot. Don't come in here telling us who is intolerant when there are plenty of examples of "the other side" being whiny and intolerant. This is an arguement that this forum has been over MANY times, and consistently gets concluded with the liberals either whining or shutting up.