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toxikneedle
02-16-05, 10:30 PM
This is a quickie, now I know I have a 3200+ Clawhammer. I wanna know whats the diference between like Clawhammer or Winchester or whatever the other cards are, especially if they are 3200 as well.... I never really understood what they mean...

Clay
02-16-05, 10:37 PM
http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=272 That should help answer your questions. :)

Rytr
02-16-05, 10:41 PM
There are number of differences with the most obvious one being that one is for 754-pin sockets and the other for 939-pin sockets. Less obvious the 130nm and 90nm processes.
If you want to read up on it here is a start: http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_a64-4000/

CaptNKILL
02-16-05, 10:42 PM
Well the different names describe different types of cores.

The Clawhammer is a socket 754\939\940 Athlon 64 with 1Mb L2 cache and is .13 micron (smaller micron number basically means more advanced, uses less power, runs cooler, etc.).

The Newcastle is a socket 754\939 Athlon 64 with 512Kb L2 cache and is .13 micron

The Winchester is a socket 939 Athlon 64 with 512Kb L2 cache and is .09 micron (this makes them overclock much better and some times perform a little better than a newcastle of the same speed)

The Sledgehammer is a socket 939\940 Athlon 64 with 1Mb L2 cache and is .13 micron (these are mostly for Opterons on socket 940... workstation\server stuff)

Hope this helps...

EDIT: Damn after typing all that, someone posted a link :(

Clay
02-16-05, 10:48 PM
EDIT: Damn after typing all that, someone posted a link :(
Even though some of us are knocking on 30 (or more :angel: ) you've still gotta be a quick draw to beat us when we've had our naps. :D

Rytr
02-16-05, 10:50 PM
Even though some of us are knocking on 30 (or more :angel: ) you've still gotta be a quick draw to beat us when we've had our naps. :D

:spank:

Clay
02-16-05, 10:52 PM
:spank:
What? Whaaaat? I didn't name any names did I? :angel: :D :POKE:

jAkUp
02-16-05, 10:56 PM
This is a quickie

mmmm.... quickie....

Rytr
02-16-05, 10:58 PM
Clay your gettin' a little too smart for your age... (wack)
Closest thing to B-Man! :D

Viral
02-16-05, 11:14 PM
Just to highlight the major differences between your CPU and the Winchester 3200+

Clawhammer 3200+
2.0GHz
1MB L2 cache
Single channel memory controller
130nm
S754

Winchester 3200+
2.0GHz
512KB L2 cache
Dual channel memory controller
90nm
S939

While yours has more L2 cache the winchester has more memory bandwidth from the DC memory controller. Usually DC memory means a little more than 1MB L2 cache, but it goes either way in benchies. The Winchester will also most likely run cooler than your Clawhammer as it is using the new process (90nm) and is most likely a newer core revision.

toxikneedle
02-17-05, 10:17 AM
So I got a Clawhammer 3200+, I guess all I wanted to know is how good Clawhammers are for overclocking and just to know if clawhammer isnt like an amd term for value brand or something cheap...