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|MaguS|
02-20-05, 02:01 PM
Im thinking about purchasing this system next month, does this seem like a good setup? Any comments welcome...

MSI K8N SLI Platinum nForce4 Audio/GB-LAN $185.00
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 512K 90nm (939) (Retail) $149.00
BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC 256MB GDDR3/PCI-E/TV-Out/Dual-DVI (Retail Box) $820.00

Order Total: $1,154.00

My only question is how high would I have to raise my FSB to hit the 2.5Ghz or so mark? Im planning to carry over my Geil Value Ram since it has served me well up to now, 2,3,3,6 isn't bad I think, especially for the price.

PS: I OC'd my CPU for the first time ever (first time OCing a CPU), running at 2.2Ghz @ 35C right now. Yay Noob Me!

rflair
02-20-05, 02:14 PM
Your current system seems quite good, I'd wait till summer/fall, dual core cpu's soon and new vid cards by then from both major players I'm sure.

superklye
02-20-05, 02:15 PM
Looks good to me, but personally, I would drop the extra cash and get a 3500+

circuitbreaker8
02-20-05, 02:31 PM
SLi seems like a huge waste of money IMO. Right now there is not one game that really needs it. I can run Far Cry @ 1600x1200 4xaa 8xaf and still pull 50fps+....so why spend almost 1k on more power? Your current setup is just fine for games right now...you can try OCing your 3200 and 6800GT some more if you want more performance.

jAkUp
02-20-05, 02:34 PM
SLi seems like a huge waste of money IMO. Right now there is not one game that really needs it. I can run Far Cry @ 1600x1200 4xaa 8xaf and still pull 50fps+....so why spend almost 1k on more power? Your current setup is just fine for games right now...you can try OCing your 3200 and 6800GT some more if you want more performance.

Try it with HDR. And there is no way you are getting 50fps at all times at 1600x1200 4x/8x. My single 6800 ultra could not even do that. Or try the new splinter cell demo with HDR. SLI will come in handy for the upcoming games, and even todays games with AA/AF.

SLI is faster when you crank up the AA/AF. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

Also, the 3000+ 90nm is only good if you plan overclocking it, if not go with the 3500+. Also, I would go with the DFI board rather than the ASUS. I've had way too many problems with my ASUS board to ever recommend it again.

Riptide
02-20-05, 02:49 PM
I don't think it's worth spending that much money considering the system you already have.

|MaguS|
02-20-05, 02:50 PM
Yeah, I plan on OCing the 3000 to atleast 2.5, hopefully 2.6. I saw people getting that with stock cooling so I think with an XP-90 I can get better. Just worried about my RAM mainly.

I plan on getting the MSI SLi Nforce4 board, Don't know much about DFI. Never had experiance with them.

Main reason Im not springing for the 3500 or higher is that I think I can save acouple bucks and get almost the same peformance once OC'd . This setup is mainly to future proof me so I can just buy a new CPU in the fall insted of having to go all new again.

jAkUp
02-20-05, 02:52 PM
Oh whoops, thought you said you were getting the ASUS. Yea I heard pretty good things about that MSI, although, I'm not really a huge fan of MSI.

Riptide
02-20-05, 03:03 PM
SLI is faster when you crank up the AA/AF. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
Yeah but over a grand just so he can play w/HDR? HDR seems overdone in the few games that I've seen it - very underwhelming. FarCry does drop below 50fps at times, that is true. On the Carrier level for instance. But in that particular situation it's the CPU that limits - even w/AA/AF turned up. I can't think of a single game, short of Doom3 (hey I have an ATI card sue me) that can't be run in 16x12 right now with a good level of AA/AF. I know I might get flamed for this... But SLI is not really necessary at the moment. And by the time you really have to have it, prices will have come down significantly.

Also, the 3000+ 90nm is only good if you plan overclocking it, if not go with the 3500+. Also, I would go with the DFI board rather than the ASUS. I've had way too many problems with my ASUS board to ever recommend it again.
I agree on the 3500+. The 3000+ has kind of a crappy multiplier IMO anyway. And yeah stay away from that A8N. Get the DFI or something else instead. :)

$n][pErMan
02-20-05, 03:07 PM
But SLI is not really necessary at the moment. And by the time you really have to have it, prices will have come down significantly.
I agree 100% on this. Look at my specs ... not bad... still 32bit .. and one of the best AGP cards on the market and Ive out performed many SLi and 64bit people in games with full settings and some have likewise out performed me. In all cases it was no more than 5-8 FPS more or less either way (and yes.. thats with both AA/AF on). Which if you ask me... its quite trivial considering the price differences ;)

zoomy942
02-20-05, 04:37 PM
come on guys.. we are all loosing our "first kid on the block" thinking. sure SLI may have advantages here and there or it may not, but if you have the cash, i would go for it for the "wow" factor.

there are lots of people who have differing opinions about SLI, but we are all missing the point. SLI is only in its frst version. give it time to mature and things will really start to take off. i dont have SLI now, cause my LCD only does 1280x1024, and SLI lkes crazy high resolutions. but when i overhaul my pc, i'll have a bigger LCD and youcan bet i will have SLI, cause even if my pc is 5% faster or 500% faster, i like knowing i have a ton of horsepower under the hood.

so to everyone with SLI, be in 6800 or 6600, my hat is off to you.

and to those who dont like or dont feel SLI is worth it, i tip my hat to you as well, for choosing what is best for you.

lets just all remember that there really is no right or wrong answer to the question of SLI being money well spent. so everyone's idea is equally valueable

Riptide
02-20-05, 05:27 PM
come on guys.. we are all loosing our "first kid on the block" thinking. sure SLI may have advantages here and there or it may not, but if you have the cash, i would go for it for the "wow" factor.I agree with you. But the topic of the thread was whether it's worth it or not - which implies that money might be an issue here. In this situation I say nay. :)

zoomy942
02-20-05, 05:49 PM
I agree with you. But the topic of the thread was whether it's worth it or not - which implies that money might be an issue here. In this situation I say nay. :)

true, but whether its worth it is all in perspective. at least to me:)

BrianG
02-20-05, 05:49 PM
Still get the SLI mobo, but maybe buy one GT or Ultra now and increase your cash elsewhere in the system (3500+ or water cooling) and add the second card at a later date.

MikeC
02-20-05, 09:51 PM
Go SLI and enjoy it no matter what the nay sayers say. It Rocks :D

Rytr
02-20-05, 10:00 PM
DFI's bios is kinda intimidating, it's huge compared to the rest. But it does have everything for overclocking.
The 3200+ (90nm) is a compromise with a default multiplier of '10'.

saturnotaku
02-20-05, 10:05 PM
Go SLI and enjoy it no matter what the nay sayers say.

Damn straight. Don't listen to those folks. If SLI is something you really want, go for it. Once my new hard drives show up, I'm going to put my SLI setup through its paces. I'm really looking forward to it, and if you decide to go that route, you should be excited about it, too. Good luck with whatever you decide.

MUYA
02-20-05, 10:10 PM
You should really ask people who have SLi setups liek jakup, chrisray for feedback not people without. I garauntee you they will say it's worth it.

Increased Fps, increased min fps and the cool factor ;) Whats not to like about FPS

I wanna hop on the SLI bandwagaon....when my finances will allow it.

circuitbreaker8
02-20-05, 10:15 PM
Try it with HDR. And there is no way you are getting 50fps at all times at 1600x1200 4x/8x. My single 6800 ultra could not even do that. Or try the new splinter cell demo with HDR. SLI will come in handy for the upcoming games, and even todays games with AA/AF.

SLI is faster when you crank up the AA/AF. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

Also, the 3000+ 90nm is only good if you plan overclocking it, if not go with the 3500+. Also, I would go with the DFI board rather than the ASUS. I've had way too many problems with my ASUS board to ever recommend it again.

Your single 6800U couldn't do it because the NV40 line sucks with Far Cry. I had a 6800GT before this and I could barely run 16x12 w/ AA. The ATi card is A LOT faster than my GT @ ultra in every game I play. HDR does make things look pretty, but its nothing to be required..and deff not a feature to warrent a 1000$ videocard investment.

MikeC
02-20-05, 10:19 PM
BS Circuitbreaker8.

Get the SLI rig and enjoy it. :)

Clay
02-20-05, 11:09 PM
Your single 6800U couldn't do it because the NV40 line sucks with Far Cry. I had a 6800GT before this and I could barely run 16x12 w/ AA. The ATi card is A LOT faster than my GT @ ultra in every game I play. HDR does make things look pretty, but its nothing to be required..and deff not a feature to warrent a 1000$ videocard investment.
Whaat?

I averaged well over 50fps in Far Cry (http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/bfg_geforce_6800_ultra_oc/page3.shtml) with my 6800 Ultra at 1600x1200 4xAA/8xAF. And that was in direct comparison to an ATI X800 XT PE! The overclocking headroom of my card helped with AA/AF but even at stock speeds on the SM3.0 path it was right with the XTPE

:rofl The difference that you're suggesting simply do not jive with the facts.

ChrisRay
02-20-05, 11:19 PM
Your single 6800U couldn't do it because the NV40 line sucks with Far Cry. I had a 6800GT before this and I could barely run 16x12 w/ AA. The ATi card is A LOT faster than my GT @ ultra in every game I play. HDR does make things look pretty, but its nothing to be required..and deff not a feature to warrent a 1000$ videocard investment.


Sucks with Far Cry.. BS. Circuit, Are you looking for an escort to the exit? Because your very quickly earning one.

Riptide
02-21-05, 12:03 AM
egbtmangus it's very simple man. If you absolutely require the fastest most bleeding edge machine then you'll dump what you have (which is very respectable ATM) and upgrade. I've been down this road before so I'm not going to get into a pissing match with anyone here over it so this will be the last thing I say here. Promise.

I think it's silly to do it in your situation. Is HDR really worth $1000 right now to you? Are you really suffering with AA/AF in most of your games at the resolutions you play at? By the time you need it - there will be new cards out and/or the current ones will be significantly cheaper.

That said, if money were no object I would do it if I were you. But if cost is any concern... it's hardly a cost effective upgrade.

ChrisRay
02-21-05, 12:13 AM
egbtmangus it's very simple man. If you absolutely require the fastest most bleeding edge machine then you'll dump what you have (which is very respectable ATM) and upgrade. I've been down this road before so I'm not going to get into a pissing match with anyone here over it so this will be the last thing I say here. Promise.

I think it's silly to do it in your situation. Is HDR really worth $1000 right now to you? Are you really suffering with AA/AF in most of your games at the resolutions you play at? By the time you need it - there will be new cards out and/or the current ones will be significantly cheaper.

That said, if money were no object I would do it if I were you. But if cost is any concern... it's hardly a cost effective upgrade.

It will be interesting if you say that once you play Splinter Cell Chaos Theory. In regards to 1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF. I would be impressed if you could maintain playable framerates in this game without AA at that resolution.

Riptide
02-21-05, 12:37 AM
n/m

W/regard to SC demo... I'm d/ling via torrent right now and I'll see for myself if it's unplayable at 1600x1200.