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It just occured to me today while listening to the president speak in Europe, why do the liberals never all for Syria to get out of Lebenon? I don't get it... well actuall I do. It is Muslims who took over a Christian country and converted it to Islam but they can cry till the end of time about Israel.
Just something to think about.
It just occured to me today while listening to the president speak in Europe, why do the liberals never all for Syria to get out of Lebenon? I don't get it... well actuall I do. It is Muslims who took over a Christian country and converted it to Islam but they can cry till the end of time about Israel.
Just something to think about.
cuz i think the vast majority of religion is contrdictory.
cuz i think the vast majority of religion is contrdictory.
Hey, that's fantastic but what I am wondering what does that have to do with liberals (who for the most part are either atheist or agnostic) hav never called for the pulling out of Syrian troops from Lebenon.
sytaylor
02-21-05, 01:49 PM
The problems with Syria and Lebanon go waaaaay back, and I think the main reason is that it is a conflict that has been over shadowed by Israel/Palestine. That and that most people are ignorant of the situation. The ME is a house of cards that all falls down if Israel/Palestine is solved, so who knows... maybe this situation will have more focus in 10 years time?
CybrSage
02-21-05, 09:06 PM
I think it is for the same reason no one calls for the removal of British troops from the Occupied Territories of Northern Ireland. Shouldn't Ireland really have control of its entire country by now?
sytaylor
02-22-05, 02:09 AM
Yes because the british troop presence is what causes all the trouble in Northern Ireland clearly... :rolleyes:
CybrSage
02-22-05, 06:23 AM
Does it not?
I will try to follow your train of thought here, tell me if I am wrong:
The RealIRA exists because...
Sorry, I lost the train of thought. Can you explain how occupying the northern territories of Ireland is a good thing for the Irish?
And yes, I have read the history of Ireland, from their conquering by the British, to the several Bloody Sunday attacks, to the forced emigration of Catholics prior to a Protestant Only vote for British rule, to the near miss of Thatcher's assassination...
vampireuk
02-22-05, 06:49 AM
Like I said if you want to constantly bash Britain f*ck off elsewhere and do it you little prick.
There are a lot of Irish people who are fine with having Britain controlling NI even with the cowardly terrorist attacks of the ira. But of course the truth doesn't sound quite as interesting does it?
sytaylor
02-22-05, 07:27 AM
And yes, I have read the history of Ireland, from their conquering by the British, to the several Bloody Sunday attacks, to the forced emigration of Catholics prior to a Protestant Only vote for British rule, to the near miss of Thatcher's assassination...
...and where in that reading did you miss the part about the huge CHUNK of MILLIONS of people that wish for Northern Ireland to stay under british rule. Hence the difference between unionism and republicanism in northern Ireland. I suppose while we're feeling oppressed by the british (nay should I say english)... Why don't we give scotland back to their King... Or let wales go back to the divided terratory of celtic clans?
OH WAIT... SILLY ME! That was nearly 600 years ago, and since then an entire nation has been built and has been extremley successful. I don't know where your little complex comes from, but at least try and ground it in reality.
CybrSage
02-22-05, 11:00 AM
Wow, seems I have struck a nerve.
Explain to me how having British troops in the occupied northern counties of Ireland is different from having Israeli troops in the occupied Palestinian terroritores?
The Irish certainly wanted the entire island when they rebelled...
EDIT:
I was speaking of things less than 100 years ago:
The seven signatories of the Irish Proclamation (from left): Padraig Pearse, James Connolly, Thomas Clarke, Thomas MacDonagh, Sean MacDermott, Joseph Plunkett and Eamonn Ceannt. All of the above men were executed by the British Government for their part in the Easter 1916 Rebellion.The Proclamation which was read on Easter Sunday 1916, from the General Post Office in Dublin is as follows:
http://www.detroitirish.org/independence.html
An Irish Free State was eventually established in 1921, although six counties in the north remained part of the United Kingdom. Controversy over this settlement was the source of civil war on the island, which lasted until a ceasefire was established in 1923. Relations between the Free State (known as Eire from 1936) and the British government remained strained till after the Second World War.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/timelines/britain/cen_easter_rising.shtml
CybrSage
02-22-05, 11:08 AM
Why don't we give scotland back to their King... Or let wales go back to the divided terratory of celtic clans?
OH WAIT... SILLY ME! That was nearly 600 years ago...
Words from the mouth of the conquerer. Of course you do not want to give up the conquered. duh
I doubt the scots or the welsh wish to be sovereign nations, due to the long history forged between your people and theirs. It is very different in the neighboring isle, though.
Does it not?
I will try to follow your train of thought here, tell me if I am wrong:
The RealIRA exists because...
Sorry, I lost the train of thought. Can you explain how occupying the northern territories of Ireland is a good thing for the Irish?
And yes, I have read the history of Ireland, from their conquering by the British, to the several Bloody Sunday attacks, to the forced emigration of Catholics prior to a Protestant Only vote for British rule, to the near miss of Thatcher's assassination...
I would ask are british troops in Ireland a good thing for England? I don't think they should be there but at the same time we can't have the Irish using the withdrawal as a reason to step up bombing in England. It is not a simple situation. It is also OFFF TOPIC.
CybrSage
02-22-05, 11:39 AM
Quite right! Sorry for hijacking your thread!
/em bows head humbly
Well Simon and Rob are english bed-wetting types. So there would be no uses in talking to them about their imperialism. :D
vampireuk
02-22-05, 02:42 PM
If that's how canadians are I best never go to canada, somebody starts shooting their mouth off about my country and teeth will be leaving peoples jaws. ;)
Words from the mouth of the conquerer. Of course you do not want to give up the conquered. duh
Why don't you ask those poor "conquered" people for their opinions instead of turning anything against the English. Those poor conquered people enjoy the benefits of been part of Great Britain, they are part of a extremely strong country, economically and politically. A lot of Welsh and Scottish joke about not liking the English but I can bet you the vast majority would in no way support breaking off from Britain. And so because some people in NI want to be part of Ireland we should ignore the many millions who don't want to be a part of Ireland. Oh those poor opressed Irish terrorists I can suddenly see their reasoning for blowing up small children :rolleyes:
If you want a prime example of how happy people are under British rule in places take a look at Gribraltar, or does that fact that nearly every person on that rock voted to stay under Britsh control not suit your beliefs?
Anybody can see as clear as day that you seem to have a rather large problem with England, so take your whining about my glorious country and cram it so far up your arse you cough up a lump of coal you arrogant toss pott.
Daneel Olivaw
02-22-05, 03:04 PM
If that's how canadians are I best never go to canada,
Most of Canada doesn't give a care about the english either way... well, we do like your accent. Even french canadians have more against english canadians than english english. Even that seems to have gotten old. For a few years now, Quebec seems content being this french/english/confused province and the rest of canada seems ok with our french so long as we don't complain too much.
Something funny actually happened in the last Canadian elections, quite a bit of English Canada actually seemed to think our Bloc Quebecois was right in its criticism of the Canadian Liberal Party. (the bloc Quebecois is more liberal than the Liberals btw. And it got an overwhelming majority in Quebec, and quite a bit of support in english Quebec too). Bah, I digress.
We're happy to be mostly out from under the English crown though. But we don't dislike the english either. Not anymore anyway.
CybrSage
02-22-05, 05:09 PM
Honestly, I never thought about it, but you are right. Why isn't there an outcry against Syria being in Lebanon? Could it be that they support Hamas, which is anti-Israel??
sytaylor
02-23-05, 02:40 AM
Occupied terratories? Why don't you ask the UN if NI is an occupied terratory or british land? It's Ironic that over the past 30 years britain has tried to devolve power to a NI based government but the constant bickering over how it would be govered has lead to more violence than it has solved. Indeed the Bertie Ahern and Tony Blair are strong allies in trying to solve the situation. I think you have totally mis represented both the mood and the issues surrounding the situation. The mere notion of britain as an imperalistic nation is laughable. Look at a map of the world 100 years ago, and look at it now. Britain had an empire, forged trade links and then gave back that land! Sure our poo stinks like everybody elses, but without us the world would not be what it is today, not by a long shot.
I was going to continue ranting but then I saw this
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=548986&postcount=101
... explains a few things.
Occupied terratories? Why don't you ask the UN if NI is an occupied terratory or british land? It's Ironic that over the past 30 years britain has tried to devolve power to a NI based government but the constant bickering over how it would be govered has lead to more violence than it has solved. Indeed the Bertie Ahern and Tony Blair are strong allies in trying to solve the situation. I think you have totally mis represented both the mood and the issues surrounding the situation. The mere notion of britain as an imperalistic nation is laughable. Look at a map of the world 100 years ago, and look at it now. Britain had an empire, forged trade links and then gave back that land! Sure our poo stinks like everybody elses, but without us the world would not be what it is today, not by a long shot.
I was going to continue ranting but then I saw this
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=548986&postcount=101
... explains a few things.
And the fact that he already moved on? :D
sytaylor
02-23-05, 03:45 AM
Post for a post...
CybrSage
02-23-05, 08:46 AM
How about those Syrians? Does anyone think they should be in Lebanon?
Post for a post...
eye for an eye ;)
Excuses, excuses. Come boi, keep up with the pace. :D
CybrSage
02-23-05, 01:00 PM
I think the troops in Northern Ireland should be replaced with Syrian Troops. That would solve the whole issue of occupation, right?
;)
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