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Ninjaman09
10-10-07, 08:28 AM
Anyone else noticed the number of, I'll be polite here, inexperienced lvl 60+s of late? Perhaps this coinciding with, when on alts it's next to impossible to find groups for lower lvl instnaces as everyone gets rushed?

The other day, we decided to have a sorta fun run through ZG. We did end up excepting some lvl 60+s who were not in guild though. It was the absolute worst raid any of us have ever seen. Things were more organized our first time in Gruul's this week (without these lower lvls being PuGed), though we still haven't quite got the pull for the first boss yet. This is saying something as we still don't have the pull for first boss in Gruul's worked out just yet, but getting there.

OK, it's only ZG, and not a lvl 70 raid; but still it's no trash through BRD (which I could and have rushed people through parts on my hunter before), especially with 61s and 62s in group. What we got was the lowbies running around and pulling everything, constantly needing to be resed. Then there was the thing where the tanks, weren't umm, allowed to tank at all, as these 60-63s kept thinking of it as a rush through lowbie instances, and would run around hitting everything/dragging them to all the higher lvl players (not necessarily tanks, but even squishies).

I remember when we did that in my first guild a year ago. At lvl 60, and with far less gear, we never had that much trouble, even our first time in when we were just learning the instance; and mind you downed 1 or 2 bosses first time in. This time, we didn't even make it up to a boss, with the lvl 62s and stuff we found. I never thought, a ZG could have gone that bad, with outland geared, especially as we did have 20 people (overkill with 70s) between the whole lvl range....
eBay FTW. No, I'm serious. Many old players who stopped before TBC came out sold their accounts (quite a few that I used to raid with even) and total newcomers who have no idea how to play are starting off the game with Tier 2+ epics at level 60 and going from there. Don't be surprised that they're totally clueless. ;)

Son Goku
10-29-07, 12:40 AM
OK, I have to give just a little rant here; largely because I got one from one of these spell casters who insists on kiting mobs away from the melee guys, so they have to keep chasing them down.

Just today, when doing "drill the drillmaster" on my lvl 60 warrior, I had an elemental shammy in the group who fit in this category. The person wouldn't even let me get 1 hit in, would all out DPS, and started kiting the mob all over kingdom come (but always away from me) as fast as the person could move. I'm there, running after it, trying to get a hit in, generate some rage, etc...

So then the person complains I'm not tanking it for them, as the person keeps running mobs away from me, and doesn't even allow me to get 1 hit in, let along get a sunder, or something. OK, my guy is fury spec, so right off the bat won't have increased threat from proc spacific talens, but no one can taunt and stuff without rage ;) The person, also seemingly at least had no threat meter (or at least KTM wasn't showing anything on their threat), and seemed to totally miss the point on how threat is generated. My run speed, is also not greater then others.

Back when I was lvling my rogue, I got the same thing. In group with spell casters, and they'd run away from me as fast as possible, and incidently couldn't get the finishing moves in. It's come to the point, that if people are going to insist on kiting or fearing mobs away from me, I'm not even going to try to constantly catch up to them at a certain point, till they get the idea :D It's a forgone conclusion people don't just out-run each other, as without something (like a paly has a skill for increased run speed, hunters have aspect of the cheetah, etc); people aren't going to out-run each other.

There's always the age old joke about the mage tank. And in kara, we have a mage who has a knack for randomly pulling stuff or gaining highest threat rather suddenly (last week, we had romulo and julliet randomly start when the mage was the only person down near the thing, and the mage running back with a couple mobs; raid leader telling everyone to run back at this point so it resets, mage died. As a funny aside, when her brother was invited to guild, his first words were

Hey, I'm so and so's brother. Don't worry, I don't die as much as my sister. I've been watching you guys in kara.

So now, with my having to tell the person to stop DPSing for a sec, and stop running mobs from me, the person (also 1 lvl higher, and my having to hit orange mobs, 3+ lvls above me), complains that my DPS was lower then his/hers. And mind you, this person took excursions away to clear things out to go mining, aka mobs only he/she was killing, before I ran back to finish clearing the these side excursions away from the actual quest chain.

Is it such a hard concept that melee guys, umm need to be in melee range to hit things, and that they can't if one constantly runs all mobs away from them? Is it also so hard for some people to understand that if they start mass-DPSing before another person can get any hits/get hit by, they will pull agro before any rage can be generated?

:lol2: If I did that on my hunter, I'd be dieing all the time, and not a single tank in the the raids I'm (not just a single quest like drill the drill master) could do anything. It's all too easy for my main to get more threat (as shown by KTM) then the OT, though waiting for 3 sunders it does stay below the MT, especially as I've started getting kara gear. Still have to feign and stuff though. ./yawn I wish some spell casters wouldn't expect every melee guy to have to run after, or range everything down while tanking it. If these people must run mobs, could they at least run them towards us, if they can't wait for a few hits before going full out DPS? :eek:

jolle
12-07-07, 02:00 PM
Man, this new spam form is making the game almost unenjoyable.
I think they use some sort of automated process to create a lvl1 human warrior, invite people from the "who" list into a group, spam in part chat and disband, invite next in list etc.

Which means I get 5 concurrent group invites every other minuite or so.
A quick fix is to put the character on Ignore, then after 5 mins it seems they have deleted that char and created a new, cause a new name (again, lvl1 human warrior) will spam group invs..

After playing a full day with this going on and on and on, no matter where in the world I am, its getting PRETTY DAMN OLD!!!
They should put in a restriction so you cant Party Invite until lvl2 or 3 or something to prevent this. (no doubt they´ll find other annyoing ways along side the usual shouting in the cities, spamming trade channel etc)

I belive they´re spamming about some cheat tool, some website.
Didnt really pay attention to what they said first time it happened and I accepted the invitation.

OldOfEvil
12-07-07, 02:42 PM
Man, this new spam form is making the game almost unenjoyable.
I think they use some sort of automated process to create a lvl1 human warrior, invite people from the "who" list into a group, spam in part chat and disband, invite next in list etc.

Which means I get 5 concurrent group invites every other minuite or so.
A quick fix is to put the character on Ignore, then after 5 mins it seems they have deleted that char and created a new, cause a new name (again, lvl1 human warrior) will spam group invs..

After playing a full day with this going on and on and on, no matter where in the world I am, its getting PRETTY DAMN OLD!!!
They should put in a restriction so you cant Party Invite until lvl2 or 3 or something to prevent this. (no doubt they´ll find other annyoing ways along side the usual shouting in the cities, spamming trade channel etc)

I belive they´re spamming about some cheat tool, some website.
Didnt really pay attention to what they said first time it happened and I accepted the invitation.

That sort of spamming tends to drop off as you get more levels. They seem to be targeting the newbies, who I guess they are thinking are more interested in buy gold or whatever.

jolle
12-07-07, 03:15 PM
That sort of spamming tends to drop off as you get more levels. They seem to be targeting the newbies, who I guess they are thinking are more interested in buy gold or whatever.
Sounds reasonable, never happened before and I had just started a new char.
Still, they´ve hounded me for 18 levels now.. bastards..

Tr1cK
12-07-07, 04:28 PM
Try /DND

jolle
12-09-07, 08:22 PM
Try /DND
Didnt work, the bastards!

Son Goku
01-03-08, 05:29 AM
That sort of spamming tends to drop off as you get more levels. They seem to be targeting the newbies, who I guess they are thinking are more interested in buy gold or whatever.

I've got this in Winterspring, and higher zones, except it becomes mount financing, get your epic flyer, 5,000 g for $100 USD, whatever. I've even got the power lvling spam, and couldn't help but be puzzled with how a lvl 70 woudl get power lvled :rofl Throw the constant spam if one goes into SW or whatever, "murloc movie night", and the number of lowbies who all start begging for gold, items, rushes, technical support advise, how do I fix my computer, everything else; it becomes prudent to tune a lot of chat out while in town. One just can't follow 20 people all shouting at one, with 5,000 people spamming trade all at the same time, and try to follow it all, while also being busy one's self.

Before Bliz broke spam sentry, it was better, one could block the spams so they wouldn't appear on screen, then file a GM report when one has time to look over it. But Bliz demanded no, and disabled GM reporting from addons. Their report spam feature simply won't prevent one from having to see it all in real time, and it's the time consuming, and quite harassing nature of having to look at it "now, now, now" which can get to be too much. Imagine email spam were to move over to instant messaging programs, with a ding, "you've got mail", or popup everytime someone messages you. That's about the size of it. Least in email, one doesn't have to have it presented to them when they are not checkign email.

Son Goku
01-03-08, 06:23 AM
Man, this new spam form is making the game almost unenjoyable.
I think they use some sort of automated process to create a lvl1 human warrior, invite people from the "who" list into a group, spam in part chat and disband, invite next in list etc.

Which means I get 5 concurrent group invites every other minuite or so.
A quick fix is to put the character on Ignore, then after 5 mins it seems they have deleted that char and created a new, cause a new name (again, lvl1 human warrior) will spam group invs..

After playing a full day with this going on and on and on, no matter where in the world I am, its getting PRETTY DAMN OLD!!!

Yeah I've seen it, and it got old months ago. Ever since the patch where Blizzard killed spam sentry, and to not look totally unresponsive to the spam complaints put spam reporting in the interface and blocked PST from 10 day trial accounts. This was the spammers way around. It worked for about 3 hours, and then the spammers and gold sellers started devising methods such as this one, to get around the restrictions to 10-day accounts.

After like a half a year of this, coinciding with all the beggers, the "it's your fault I have to live with sucky gear, you won't give me 100 g", and whatever else; I'm actually beyond the point of even careing whether I might appear "nice" if I just give the beggers, the spammers, the gold sellers, whatever else a rebuff for all of this.

What makes it worse though, is that before all this hit the fan and got even half as bad as it's developed into currently; Gilthanas, someone who I considered to be one of my best friend's fell into this in a quite messed up way. He came to me on some alt I had only seen 1 time, some half year earlier, for about a minute or so as he told me "this is another one of my characters, but I don't really play him anymore"; and unrecognized I took him for someone else. Getting griefed by someone else, and actually running into more then a few harassing game players around that time, for which I had relogged to get away from it, I mistook im for one of them. I didn't even remember such a char existed until several months after the fact, and to this day still don't know the name, nor would I be able to just identify it on sight, without some prompting of "jogging" of my memory.

Just going along with it, believing he was following my wishes (he wasn't), rather then recognizing "oh, I musta stepped in something here, and he has no idea who I am"; he just took it for granted that I would know, and now falsely believes I hate him and don't want him around anymore, both untrue. Since then, almost everyone I have known has realm transfered or whatever, though one friend came back after many months absent. And in the midst of that, at times seems these bots, gold sellers, beggers, are the only constant, bleh.... And yet the spammers and the beggers are precisely the one's I don't care to have to listen to, and this after a half a year of what you've been looking at.

The worst is, he won't see it, or perhaps is totally unable to understand with much going on while he's been gone; and even if he were to appear to me, would still expect me to mystically know things that aren't even visable; and while beating around the bush (at which I could only guess after the fact, not even guessing at the moment); will assume that everything that happens, is said, whatever must be personal, and has to be directed towards him. And yet perhaps unwilling to face the possibility it was never really so much him, as these other announying ones... I don't know which is worse, the prospect a good friend is gone like this forever, or that he might have tried to contact me again, while looking like one of these others because, he seems unwilling to stop stop beating around the bush, remains cryptic, and in the process continues to appear to be one of these others he probably never even came to learn "oh so they're not doing that, since I had left".

They should put in a restriction so you cant Party Invite until lvl2 or 3 or something to prevent this. (no doubt they´ll find other annyoing ways along side the usual shouting in the cities, spamming trade channel etc)

Though even lvl 2s and I've seen 5s spam gold selling. And tbh, there really is no quest in game in a nub zone where one should need a party before lvl 5 or so. Even back when I got the game, I hadn't partied with anyone until after I left Aldrasil and was already into Dolonar. By the time one hits Princess, Hogger, Oakenskowl, etc, a party can start comming into play as necessary... On the other hand, for a high lvl to go and rush some random starting char for the high lvl, beyond time consuming, on some classes (hunter for instance) can also be expensive. Ikarus won't kill without eating, and as I now use the kara arrows, there's probably not a zone before the lvl 50 something (maybe 40 something) which has decent enough drops for me to break even on the food/amo costs spent just to fight.

Now if it's a friend, and I know it's a friend, that's one thing. But to have to use up a quiver full of 80 s per stack arrows, and lvl 65 meat for my raptor, for some complete stranger who wants me to do everything for them which is easily soloable, the whole time giving them all drops (which couldn't even cover my expenditures to fight anyhow); soz that's just asking a lot. And what many of these people can't even imagine is, they're not the only one with expenses.

Hell I just had to buy a flying mount (900 g) for my rogue to get third kara frag, my 67 warrior (almost 68) is in Netherstorm on a 60% mount, because I still can't afford the 630 g for his epic land (though am working it back), and I had to buy like 120 over-priced thorium bars (having mined what I could find), out of the 400 or 450 he needed to hit 300 blacksmithing on my warrior, so I could use up the fel iron I had in stock, and hit by now 340 BS to make gear he can now use. And speaking of gear, once one starts hitting what one will have around lvl 70, there's socketing, and latter enchanting the stuff... Nub beggers who wil whine and throw temper tantrums if they can't get that lowbie epic; seem to have no clue about the expenses at higher lvls, only hearing rumors of the money that could be made, and would probably be surprised if they knew how little money people had left after buying a mount, gear, enchant, whatever (for instance to prepare a char for kara), 350-375 trade professions, etc.

Ugh, don't get me started on these... Imagine how you felt over a day of it, and now multiply it by half a year or more. That's about how I feel now...

vampireuk
01-03-08, 09:26 AM
I got back into the game a few weeks back, went back to my level 60 warrior and upgraded to tbc, cheated slightly and may have got some gold from a Chinese bloke. :p

Got up to 63 now I think and been doing groups in the blood furnace and ramparts as a prot tank and getting a lot of group invites. I've learned not to agree to group unless they have a healer ready though.

thor1182
01-03-08, 09:57 AM
I got back into the game a few weeks back, went back to my level 60 warrior and upgraded to tbc, cheated slightly and may have got some gold from a Chinese bloke. :p

Got up to 63 now I think and been doing groups in the blood furnace and ramparts as a prot tank and getting a lot of group invites. I've learned not to agree to group unless they have a healer ready though.


PUGS = bad

Son Goku
01-04-08, 07:40 AM
Even if a healer is there, it can be bad. On my it's now a lvl 68 warrior, I had some people who wanted me to come to BF. The guy was 66 at the time. The healer was decent, not the prob, but the lock and the hunter turned out to be played by the same person.

So here I am, counting on CC with some of the mobs, and then wondering what's going on with the traps, why I'm second on the DPS meter while tanking, etc, etc.... Then after some bad going, someone I know commented, and I PSTed (not wanting to say publically) if he was saying these 2 characters were one and the same person. He said yes, the person was trying to play 2 chars in the same instnace and had to keep alt + tabing, ugh. Given they were the only 2 CC in the run...

And in a perfect example of just why friends should identify themself, when comming on alts so as not to get mistaken for someone else; when I logged my hunter in today I got absolutely and positively mobed by not just 1 or 2 beggers. But I had 10 all PST me at the immediate instant I logged in, and even if one isn't dealign with random beggers, these were, multi-tasking that many convs at once can grow a little over-whelming :lol2:

But those 10 PSTing me via /w all at the same time, all wanting to beg for whatever they think they can get out of me, for no other reason then I just logged; was only the half of it. Because in addition, more then a few others were calling out my name specifically in /s with, you guessed it, more things they wanted me to give them. And of course every one of them wants an immediate response and grows impatient if one doesn't just agree to give them all their wants and desires, now, now, now (wack) Then in the midst of all that, one person, who I guess is sort of an acquintance was trying to PST just to say hello and chat in the midst of it, but it was exactly like sitting in a crowded room where everyone is trying to shout and talk to you "this instant", no one wanting to take turns on anything.

Oh, and man, speaking of that sorta thing, not in game, but the other night when I was at a resturant, there was a table of 4 girls and 1 guy. Their conversations consisted of no one taking turns at anything, and everyone trying to shout over each other so they could be heard also. Only problem, the louder one became, the louder the others became. So now the waitress (who at this point was avoiding this section of the resturant, which left service sorta wanting), finally came over.

In terms of putting my desert order in, we were needign to communicate, and I could not hear a word the waitress was saying over this, and vice versa. I couldn't even hear myself speak through this, let along the waitress... She, unable to do her job, and with me wanting to rush to just get outa there, finally left for other tables, in another part of the resturant where it was possible to hear anyone else. I finally had to go to the manager, and order away from the table; who in the end, ended up deciding she wouldn't charge me full price for the meal, with the wait staff and the customers unable to communicate with each other, over that. A meal that would normally have taken 45 mins from the time I walked in, to leaving, ended up taking 2 hours in the midst of all that.

Dvahlish
02-05-08, 08:27 PM
And in a perfect example of just why friends should identify themself, when comming on alts so as not to get mistaken for someone else; when I logged my hunter in today I got absolutely and positively mobed by not just 1 or 2 beggers. But I had 10 all PST me at the immediate instant I logged in, and even if one isn't dealign with random beggers, these were, multi-tasking that many convs at once can grow a little over-whelming :lol2:


I never get asked for gold...ever!
Its weird....
Maybe I just look poor? :)

vampireuk
02-11-08, 06:12 PM
PUGS = bad

Some of them have been pretty decent that I've been involved in, my favourite are the all cloth/leather groups where we have myself tanking, a priest a rogue or hunter and two casters, that way I get the decent plate and warrior drops to myself. :p

I've got a advantage going into groups now since I've fully specced into protection and have picked up some decent tanking gear since tanks are a rarity these days.

Dvahlish
02-11-08, 06:22 PM
Some of them have been pretty decent that I've been involved in, my favourite are the all cloth/leather groups where we have myself tanking, a priest a rogue or hunter and two casters, that way I get the decent plate and warrior drops to myself. :p

I've got a advantage going into groups now since I've fully specced into protection and have picked up some decent tanking gear since tanks are a rarity these days.
I have been in some awful pugs.
I like to have fun when Im doing instances and I have had some ppl that havent said a word the whole way through, or have just had an awful attitude and then /ragequit when things dont go thier way.

And tanks.....my god I have seen some tanks with the most arrogant attitudes ever.

For these reasons I willbarely ever do a high level instance with a pug these days.
Im not big on instances and raids anyway.....Im a rogue and I prefer my PVP.

Redshirt #24
02-11-08, 10:57 PM
While I've seen my share of lousy and even trainwreck-on-wax PUGs, overall I've had relatively good luck with them. I'm in a fairly casual guild, though, so I kind of have to rely on PUGs to get stuff. :)

vampireuk
02-12-08, 07:05 AM
The worst I was on involved a paladin healing who couldn't keep up with the heals and dps that simply couldn't dps. I think it was in the ramparts and after wiping three times on that damn dragon I left that group.

OldOfEvil
02-12-08, 01:07 PM
I think my first Ramparts pug,

Shadow Priest healing. Kept popping in and out of Shadow Form to DPS, of course never used VT or VE.

A Hunter that "forgot" to pick up ammo, but hey id didn't matter, 'cause he had Fiery on his axe! Also left his pet on Aggresive.

Warrior (our tank) that refused to use a shield because he couldn't DPS.

Mage that was never there. I think he made some water at the start and was never seen from again and ended up self booting for being AFK for so long.


Hate pugs.. :(

Dvahlish
02-12-08, 03:37 PM
The worst I was on involved a paladin healing who couldn't keep up with the heals and dps that simply couldn't dps. I think it was in the ramparts and after wiping three times on that damn dragon I left that group.
Yeh..These days if I get a bad pug group...I just leave.
I cant be bothered with the messing about and the repairs.

AS I said, Im not big on instances anyway...Im mainly pvp, so when I do an instance, I like to get in...do stuff fast and then get out.
Minimum hassle, maximum result.

IUm in a pretty casual guild that was made from a group of our real life friends, but we are growing in size now and more and more 70's are arriving, so we normally have enough when doing Ramps, SP, UB etc......

Heroics and raids will be a different story.

Phyre
05-13-08, 09:42 PM
Damn. Wrong thread.

sammy sung
06-06-08, 09:46 PM
I never get asked for gold...ever!
Its weird....
Maybe I just look poor? :)

Not that many beggars on the server i'm on (Bloodscalp pvp) but its happened a few times when boosting someone through a lesser instance a few times so he can get that blue drop needed,then when leaving they want you to give them gold aswell.Kinda makes you not want to help people the next time.

Mr.Schme
08-21-08, 01:08 PM
Not that many beggars on the server i'm on (Bloodscalp pvp) but its happened a few times when boosting someone through a lesser instance a few times so he can get that blue drop needed,then when leaving they want you to give them gold aswell.Kinda makes you not want to help people the next time.

theres no shame over the internet

Bman212121
08-21-08, 01:22 PM
theres no shame over the internet

QFT.

Not in this game, but another MMO I play. There is an instance that I can run with a couple of people and beat, but they usually take a couple of other lower level characters along to help speed up the process. This gives the lower levels a lot of experience per run. The person who pays for the run gets the treasure at the end. The lowbies are getting free xp but every once in a while you'll get one that will steal the treasure from a bunch of much higher level characters, and they intentionally do it like no one is going to notice.

jolle
11-22-08, 06:18 PM
Apparantly Envenom is currently bugged, all Ranks are the same (atleast Rank2 and 3).
Sortof a let down as I just got Rank 3 on my Rogue.

Glad to se alot of improvements for Rogues since I played last, ages ago.
Mutilate seems alot better in PVE and Solo situations now.
Vanish and Blind no longer use reagents, poisons are bought, instead of made from a myriad of reagents. Mutilate doesnt require you to be behind the target, some nice new talents.

Redeemed
04-07-09, 01:25 AM
GAHHH!!!!

I normally only play this game with a buddy of mine. He and I make a killer team. He's got a level 52 gnome mage, and I have a level 50 human pally. We just burn through like crazy!

Anyhow, he's been playing this game for the past 4 years or so, so he's just good at this game (has a level 80 Shaman as well as other characters). I just started, so I'm n00b.

Anyhow, I tried questing solo tonight, and keep getting pwnd! This is pissing me off! I'm half tempted to ask a buddy of ours to run body guard for me so I can complete my quests! :p :lol: Don't know if she'd do it for me though... she don't know me very well and I've yet to do anything for her (she's level 80, I'm 50... what can I do for her? :lol: ).

Anyhow, just wanted to vent. I play on Spirestone, I'm alliance, and my character name is Hildalgo. Anybody want to join up with me... please do! :p I'm getting to the point to where I don't even want to play this game unless it's with somebody else. I hate playing a game where all you do is die repeatedly without accomplishing much, if anything at all. :( :p

Anybody else feel the same way? Or is it just me. :o :lol: