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Typedef Enum
12-01-02, 04:13 AM
Not sure if anybody cares...but...

I asked a friend if I could borrow his 9700 for a little bit, just to get a feel for the board. I've only had it in my system for a day, and these are my impressions thus far. Stability: Not too bad. I have seen a few "back to the desktop" scenarios, but they have been fairly isolated. On the other hand, I think this board does run pretty hot. There have been times when I will see a series of dots collect around an object...something that's similar to what happens when you overclock the crap out of a card (be it the memory or core).
Drivers: So far, pretty good. Actually, I can't say that I've seen any glaring erros thus far. On a few occasions, I have noticed the "stuttering" that's been talked about over @ Rage3D.
Multimonitor: I had to go with the native XP multimonitor capability...though this could very well be something that I didn't do correctly on this board. I wasn't able to get the 2nd LCD to configure itself correctly. As soon as I configured it via display panel (not through ATI panel), everything worked OK.
2D Quality: 2nd monitor is definitely better than the GF4. My main display looks pretty good, though the Matrox board still yields a better looking picture.
Antialiasing: In short, it's utterly fantastic. There's no doubt about it, ATI's implementation rocks. In the end, I think this is where NV30 is going to have to shine in order to really put some separation between it and the R300. I'm looking forward to seeing what NV30 brings to the table. Flight Sim guys would really like the quality this thing affords, I can assure you of that.
Anisotropic: No more pseudo-filter action happening with R300. My biggest complaint, with regards to the R200, is no longer. Performance is awesome.If I were to sum up my impressions in one paragraph, it would definitely be something like...ATI "gets it" now. They have addressed the vast majority of those things that have plagued them in the past, and have delivered a product that clearly has a lot going for it. I would be willing to bet that by the time NV30 hits the streets, these things will be < $300...unless, of course, NV30 is no better than R300, in terms of performance (which I do not really expect to happen).

ATI has also addressed the Linux issue (though I haven't given those drivers a test drive yet), which is definitely something that means a lot to some folks. Up until now, if you wanted 3D in Linux, you were basically left but one choice...and it looks like there is one more.

Anyhow, the thing I will be placing most of my emphasis on will be in the area of Antialiasing. When you combine this feature with high-resolutions, it's really a sight to behold. I can only hope that NV30 comes close to the quality of the AA implementation found on the R300.

vitocorleone
12-01-02, 10:51 AM
It's odd that you get the "dot collection" problems. I'm running at stock speed ("built by ATI") and have had no such crashing or pixelation problems. I don't know if ATI is overclocking the crap out of it, but they are certainly pushing the limits as the card does seem a bit more "sensitive" to peoples' systems.

I agree that it finally seems like ATI "gets it". This was my 3rd and final try with ATI - would've actually bought the FX had it been out - and it finally paid off out of the box.

Raptorman
12-01-02, 11:08 AM
I've never had the pixelation problem. Though I have had the stuttering problem *cough* Combat Flight Sim 3 *cough*. Anyways all the problems in there was fixed by setting everything to Default in CFS3Config(ofcourse changing my resolution to my preference and the color depth), and enabling Z Mask in my Rage3D tweak. Until I did that I had the stuttering problem.

Oh, according to Microsoft the GeForce FX and R9700 can only handle a detail level of 4 in CFS3. (why am I rambling?)

gravioli
12-01-02, 02:41 PM
With regards to the stuttering issues,this (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33650341&perpage=20&pagenumber=1) sounds like pretty good news to me. MrB's sources are almost always spot-on. :)

-=DVS=-
12-01-02, 06:41 PM
Mine also build by ATI but its runs cool not hot , and have no pixel/dot problems i live in California , where do you live what brand is your card ? if its not build by ATI some companies forget to put Thermalgrease :p


EDIT: oh and have no sutter must be IRQ and mainboard problem i had Giggabyte GA-7VRXP had constand problems with both GF4 4400TI and Radeon :rolleyes: Video card was always on virtual IRQ had 50+% performance hit :(


Had no Problem with Ali XP333 and now have Asus A7N266-C :D

Ratchet
12-04-02, 11:03 AM
I've read in various threads that the built in shim sometimes gets in the way of the heatsink making good contact with the core. That might explain some of the artifacting you mentioned. You (or your very generous friend ;)) might want to double check.

sebazve
12-08-02, 10:44 AM
you must be having that heat problem caused by the shim. Go here it explains what it is and it also include a fix...


http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1288

see ya

Typedef Enum
12-09-02, 03:15 PM
It looks like the issue has more to do with DVI than anything else. I noticed that one option to reduce the freq. in the control panel, and enabled it...No problems.

When you first fire up the system, there is haze in various parts of the screen...and once the OS loads up, as well as the video driver, everything is fine.

On a sidenote...

I have compiled an Excel spreadsheet containing performance data from the Parhelia, Ti4600, as well as the Ti4600. My plan is to use this as a reference for the GF-FX reviews that are just around the corner.

By and large, the FX will basically need to exceed about 3x the performance levels of the Ti4600 under exteme conditions (1600x1200 + AA) in order to displace the 9700...

I typically found that the 9700 was, generally speaking, somewhere between 2-3x faster than the Ti4600 under such conditions...So, I'm just throwing this out there...If the FX does not do better than 3x (and beyond), I think one could look at it as a dissapointment...If it was on-par with the 9700, it would just about destroy any/all advantages it has over the competition. All of those other features that go beyond the DX9 spec, though nice, won't amount to much if it cannot beat out the 9700.

Fotis
12-09-02, 03:32 PM
IMO opinion nvidia should set aside nv35 and go for an nv40 automn release.Really if you take for granted that ATI doubles the complexity of their chips every generation can you imagine how fast r400 is going to be?

bkswaney
12-10-02, 12:52 AM
I love mine also. It's a beast. :)

sebazve
12-10-02, 10:56 AM
IMO the gefx will not be so much faster *i dont believe that PR BS!* than r300 an by that time the r350 will be ready and it will be faster...so Nvidia is in a dificult position...

time will tell i guess...when can we see some actual reviews of the GEFORCE-FX???

Chalnoth
12-10-02, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by sebazve
time will tell i guess...when can we see some actual reviews of the GEFORCE-FX???

Preliminary reviews should be available in a couple of weeks, with limited availability around New Year's.

AGP64
12-10-02, 03:46 PM
Exiting times ahead :p

Joe DeFuria
12-10-02, 04:15 PM
I would be willing to bet that by the time NV30 hits the streets, these things will be < $300...

Good bet. ;) They can already be had for <$300.

A few vendors are listing the 9700 Pro on Pricewatch now for $278, shipping included!

And the 9700 Non-pro is going for about $260...I expect that to get down to around $230 in a few weeks as the non-pro supply increases in the channel.

noko
12-15-02, 11:57 AM
Well Type, are you going to do a review of the Radeon9700pro? I know there are plenty out there to pick from. Maybe better if you wait to do it with the GF FX, that is if you get one. The Radeon9700pro OEM or Bulk are going for less then $300 now. By the time the GF FX hits the street the Radeon9700pro should be in the mid $250 range which I think will put even more squeeze on Nvidia.