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The WOLF
02-28-05, 12:40 PM
Well - income tax return was schweeeet...

$2000 to spend (any more and wife will kill me, lol)

I want to upgrade to a new computer (see sig for current)

What kind of config can we do for that $$$? Needs to scream for games Doom3, HL2, Far Cry, future...I want to build it, but can't decide whether to go N4Ultra or N4SLI - know that I want to go:

AMD64 @ 90mm for proc
PCI-e graphics
1 gig of ram (2x512)
2 HD's in Raid 0 (160g total is about right)

And - yes, I've built before

Don't want to go with overclocking unless it can do it on air without something exotic

Suggestions! Suggestions! Suggestions!

Thanks!

$n][pErMan
02-28-05, 12:44 PM
To be honest... your computer now should be good for all those games :) Id say wait till spring / early summer when the new lines come out and the prices drop on the current 64bit line.. then pick up the higher end ones if you dont want to OC. Just my 2 cents anyway as thats what im doing ;) Except in my case I will be going only 64bit and will stay AGP as I love my current card. :cool:

jAkUp
02-28-05, 01:08 PM
Go SLI :) With 2,000 you could pick up a board, processor, and 2 gt's and keep your memory, etc. :) Definetely keep your memory. Corsair is good.

This is what I would suggest:
DFI SLI - $239
AMD 4000+- $649.00
BFG 6800GT x2- $918
OCZ Powerstream 520w- $140

Total= $1,946

:D

The WOLF
02-28-05, 01:39 PM
Thanks for the input :D

I neglected to state that I plan on keeping the current box :eek:

so... /me is gonna need to do a ground up build for this one


also forgot to mention (damn, I hate when I do that) that my LCD's support 1280x1024 native... I don't really need resolution higher than that, but I want to be able to turn on maximum eye candy at that res

Riptide
02-28-05, 01:48 PM
If you don't need higher than 1280x1024 then I wouldn't bother with SLI. And even then most current games will perform fine with single card solutions in 1600x1200. Save the money or put it towards a higher end CPU. Especially if you aren't overclocking.

Mr_LoL
02-28-05, 02:52 PM
Get an athlon 6f fx 55. It rocks :headbang:

saturnotaku
02-28-05, 02:58 PM
Get an athlon 6f fx 55. It rocks

And have that eat up half his budget? Sorry, Charlie, the 4000+ is going to be 90-95% of the FX but cost 70% as much.

An nForce4 Ultra single PCI-E board, a 6800 GT and some nice low latency PC3200 with that 4000+ CPU should do quite nicely without completely breaking the bank.

Mr_LoL
02-28-05, 02:59 PM
And have that eat up half his budget? Sorry, Charlie, the 4000+ is going to be 90-95% of the FX but cost 70% as much.

An nForce4 Ultra single PCI-E board, a 6800 GT and some nice low latency PC3200 with that 4000+ CPU should do quite nicely without completely breaking the bank.

It still rocks though :rolleyes:

CaptNKILL
02-28-05, 03:02 PM
Get an athlon 6f fx 55. It rocks :headbang:
Eh, I have to disagree (strongly). There are so many other things you could do with the $700 you'd blow buying one of those over a 3500+. I doubt anyone would notice much of any difference between them, let alone $700 worth of difference.

Hell, with a 3500+ youd be able to afford SLI 6800 GTs and a nice cooling setup to overclock the CPU to at least FX55 speed. Youd probably still have some left over too which youd be able to put toward a nice monitor or speakers.

Dont go with an FX chip. The cost is just way too high for what you get over the cheaper 64s.

Mr_LoL
02-28-05, 03:10 PM
Eh, I have to disagree (strongly). There are so many other things you could do with the $700 you'd blow buying one of those over a 3500+. I doubt anyone would notice much of any difference between them, let alone $700 worth of difference.

Hell, with a 3500+ youd be able to afford SLI 6800 GTs and a nice cooling setup to overclock the CPU to at least FX55 speed. Youd probably still have some left over too which youd be able to put toward a nice monitor or speakers.

Dont go with an FX chip. The cost is just way too high for what you get over the cheaper 64s.

But is there really any point in an sli system if his max resolution is 1280 * 1024?

Tr1cK
02-28-05, 03:15 PM
Buy a 3500+ 90nm and watercool it! That way you will have a cooling setup for the future.

Riptide
02-28-05, 03:33 PM
But is there really any point in an sli system if his max resolution is 1280 * 1024?
No.

stncttr908
02-28-05, 03:40 PM
If you can get about $325 or so for your 6800GT in the FS/FT section, buy an AMD 3500+ 90nm, some nice low latency PC3200 RAM (OCZ Platinum Rev. 2), an MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum and a PCIe 6800GT.

And I forgot to add a Zalman CNPS7700-Cu 120mm cooler. It's compatable according to Zalman's charts.

The WOLF
02-28-05, 04:00 PM
Saturnotaku - I'm in Naperville also - so you must live close to me... maybe you could just let me "borrow" you system for a bit? LOL

I think I need an NF4Ultra board (the 1280x1024 res is native)... just bought a new LCD monitor (12ms, sweet) and I have Klipsch 5.1 Ultra speakers (roxxors)... but I have to build an entire system for $2000... (including case, power, $145 for Win XP Pro (again, dang it), sound card... etc...)

My question is really - minus the monitor and the speakers, can I build a screamer for under $2k? If you were going to do it, what would you get?

Appreciate the responses, thanks folks

CaptNKILL
02-28-05, 04:44 PM
No.
I have to disagree here too. I play UT2004 (hardly the most stressful game out now) at 1280x960 with 8xAF and no AA and the framerates arent perfect. At 1600x1200 I get dips into the 30s-40s (which is low for a game this fast).

If someone wants a game to run perfectly smooth, they need as much power as they can get. Theres a lot more to games than just resolution. Battlefield 2, STALKER, FEAR, TES4: Oblivion... I doubt those games will run smoothly at 1280x1024 (maxed settings with AF) on a single 6800 GT.

$450 for a second 6800 GT will be worth a lot more than $700 going from a 3500+ to an FX55. That was what I was saying.

Riptide
02-28-05, 05:09 PM
UT2004 runs perfectly smooth on my system without SLI. BTW, UT2004 is one of those few games out there that seems to have issues w/SLI if I remember correctly. Seriously you don't find 30-40fps to be fast enough? I agree that under 30 it gets visibly choppy and perhaps this is purely subjective but I am totally happy as long as it never gets under 30. Seems smooth to me.

BTW, I do agree that an FX55 probably wouldn't be worth the xtra. The 4000+ isn't a bad idea, nor even a 3800+.
$450 for a second 6800 GT will be worth a lot more than $700 going from a 3500+ to an FX55. That was what I was saying.
See above. I agree with you here, but IMO he might as well just pocket the extra $$ and save it.

bkswaney
02-28-05, 05:32 PM
And have that eat up half his budget? Sorry, Charlie, the 4000+ is going to be 90-95% of the FX but cost 70% as much.

An nForce4 Ultra single PCI-E board, a 6800 GT and some nice low latency PC3200 with that 4000+ CPU should do quite nicely without completely breaking the bank.


If I were him I would get a lower clocked 64 and OC that b!tch.
Can he not get 4000+ speeds from a 9nm 3500+ with a good heatsink?
The temps are so low on 64's OCing is the only way to go. :D


Save that money man! :angel:

Riptide
02-28-05, 05:36 PM
Only thing that kinda sucks about overclocking is that it's never a guarantee. My FX53 doesn't o/c worth a crap on air - and a 15% restock fee on an exchange kinda hurts when the thing cost $800. The restock on a 3500+ would even be at least $30 I think. I had a 3200+ that didn't o/c worth a crap either, and that was a winchester.

That said, I admittedly have bad luck. YMMV. ;)

SH64
02-28-05, 05:52 PM
This is what I would suggest:
DFI SLI - $239
AMD 4000+- $649.00
BFG 6800GT x2- $918
OCZ Powerstream 520w- $140

Total= $1,946

:D

Dang jak!! .. you must be reading my mind ;) .. i'm planning for such setup myself with these exact specs except the video cards which are not available here yet .
i can get all the others but i dont know if it will be worth it to order a FX-55 or take the already available 4000+ ?! not sure what to do about that :confused:

Riptide
02-28-05, 05:53 PM
Go for the 4000+ dude. The FX55 is nice but it's not worth it. I regret buying my FX53. I should've got the 3800+ at the time or waited until the 3500+ .09 became available. I would've saved myself a boatload.

SH64
02-28-05, 05:55 PM
Go for the 4000+ dude. The FX55 is nice but it's not worth it. I regret buying my FX53. I should've got the 3800+ at the time or waited until the 3500+ .09 became available. I would've saved myself a boatload.

You think so ? .. well i tell you thats what i'm leaning more toward . the 4000+ is already available on one of my nearby stores & theres only one piece left & i cant keep my eye off it since i saw it last week .
if i'm going to get a FX-55 then i'll need to order it online & wait for a while .

Riptide
02-28-05, 05:57 PM
Go with the instant gratification. Besides, your justification can be that it will save you a little money. Just do it. You'll feel good. :p

SH64
02-28-05, 06:06 PM
Go with the instant gratification. Besides, your justification can be that it will save you a little money. Just do it. You'll feel good. :p

Well i guess thats it .. i'm sold ! :D going to check the store pretty soon for the 4000+ .. as well as a DFI Lanparty SLI-D (or DR .. depends on the budget :p) & an OCZ Powerstream 520W . i'll leave the video cards decision for the next month i guess ..

Riptide
02-28-05, 06:20 PM
Be sure to put up some pictures of your new outfit once you get it rolling. And also if you feel like joining the nvnews Folding@Home team please consider it - your 4000+ would make a fine addition to our farm. :D

SH64
02-28-05, 06:32 PM
Be sure to put up some pictures of your new outfit once you get it rolling. And also if you feel like joining the nvnews Folding@Home team please consider it - your 4000+ would make a fine addition to our farm. :D
Well getting the 4000+ will prevent me from getting a new digicam & vice versa lol .. i'll try my best anyways .
as for the Folding@Home .. i still dont know whats the concept/idea behind it ? though if i met the requirements & found no issues to join i wont hesitate to do it :)
but lets not get carried away here :p .. first let me get the hardware parts ready & esp the video card(s) because getting those will be a problem for me & might take a while .