Digital Vibrance Feedback

[saturnotaku]

may i ask you why you want to know exactly that ?? i don't see an ati card in your sig...

Future upgrade considerations? Present upgrade considerations? Morbid curiosity?

Think, then post. It's not that difficult a concept.

[ChrisRay]

may i ask you why you want to know exactly that ?? i don't see an ati card in your sig...


I think it would be clear.. some people very much like digital vibrance effect. ATI has been promising one forever now but they never implement it. Back when the CCC was anounced it was hinted they'd add a Digital Vibrance feature. Is it there? Nope.

Hopefully they change there mind about the importance of this feature sometime.

[DivotMaker]

I think it would be clear.. some people very much like digital vibrance effect. ATI has been promising one forever now but they never implement it. Back when the CCC was anounced it was hinted they'd add a Digital Vibrance feature. Is it there? Nope.

Hopefully they change there mind about the importance of this feature sometime.

Key word..."some". While "some" people have asked for this feature, there has not been an outcry from the ATI users that this feature be implemented. The vast majority of requests come from former and/or current nVidia users.

ATI has not been promising such a feature "forever". They have indicated that it is a feature they will be implementing in a future update of Catalyst and CCC. While it is not a feature as of today, they have indicated they plan to roll this feature out in the coming months.

They have not changed their minds about the importance of the feature.

[ChrisRay]

Key word..."some". While "some" people have asked for this feature, there has not been an outcry from the ATI users that this feature be implemented. The vast majority of requests come from former and/or current nVidia users.

ATI has not been promising such a feature "forever". They have indicated that it is a feature they will be implementing in a future update of Catalyst and CCC. While it is not a feature as of today, they have indicated they plan to roll this feature out in the coming months.

They have not changed their minds about the importance of the feature.


Um yes they have. Its been promised sense the Catalyst Control Center release. Catalyst maker numerous time said he was implementing this feature. The importance of the feature = Is clearly as important as the users deem it to be. And yes alot of users want it. Do I have to go back to rage3d and once again show you the posts where Catalyst Maker promised them 2 years back? Made several attempts to pretend the Catalyst drivers had saturation controls? While there were numerous thread requests over Digital Vibrance? If they weren't going to add it any time soon. They should not have bothered to make an issue of adding it to the CCC. When a company says they will soon implement a feature. September 9th about the time when Catalyst Control Center was released they touted a a "Radiance" slider for the upcoming future of CCC. It's been over 6 months since they touted this "Feature". And over 2 years ago When catalyst maker was claiming that it was possible within the drivers. Yet.. it never surfaced.


I find it paticularly humerous that you're an expert on what "ATI" deems important for drivers. I've got all the time in the world to go back down this road again with you. Is that want bertha? It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see when your chain is being yanked. So lets do a time table here.

2 Years ago

1) Catalyst Maker is flooded with Requests for Digital Vibrance on forums.

2) Catalyst Maker Claims the functionality already exists in drivers,

3) Catalyst Maker suggests he will add one easy slider to mimic that can control all settings to mimic digital vibrance settings

4)Catalyst 3.4 provide a feature which allows you to adjust Gamma/Brightness/contrast in one slider. People are disgusted by the effect.

1.5 Years ago

1)It was discovered that ATI does not offer any form of saturation control in its drivers. Adjusting color controls within the Catalyst drivers always affects certain levels of grey and not the Hue.


Next Year

1)Numerous Threads occur over at rage3d and here. Requesting A Digital Vibrance like feature. Mods actually started closing them because they resulted in flame wars. ATI remained silent. ((quite the contrary to the last year)

6 Months Ago

1)ATI Promises a Radiancy feature for the Catalyst Control Center. This Radiancy feature is still being waited on. People are left scratching their heads as to why it hasnt been added. Even when ATI made a point acknowledge they are adding it soon. ATI may very well implement this feature eventually. 2 + Years however is not a timely fashion. And people who have wanted it have lost all hope of ever seeing it

Yes I have felt ATI has many time BSed us about the feature Digital Vibrance. Even outright lied about the capability existing within the current control panel. Just because not everyone wants the feature does not mean its not important. I can count several people who will not buy ATI products because this feature does not exist in their drivers. It comes down to the bottom line. When people will not purchase hardware because ATI has not implemented a feature. Then they lose money. I will Not buy another ATI product from a retail/consumer channel until ATI implements a feature that allows saturation control within their drivers. Many others have said this as well. I would agree that there are more important things to add to drivers that it would not be a high priority. But 2 + years is plenty of time to implement such a feature. Priority or not. I will reiterate. They have had 2 + years of complaints from customers. And as a result lost future sales. It's absolutely obsurd that they have not responded to this. Personally. I believe that their current hardware is not capable of it. I could very well be wrong. Actually I would really like to be wrong about this. But I have a feeling Radiancy is going to show up sometime around the R520's release.

[DivotMaker]

I find it paticularly humerous that you're an expert on what "ATI" deems important for drivers.

I have direct contact with Catalyst Maker. I never claimed to be an "expert", however I do know what I am talking about on this issue.

Catalyst Maker never publicly "promised" anything regarding a DV-type feature prior to CCC. I do not have the answer as to why that type of feature is not yet available. If you want to continue to berate CatMaker and ATI publicly over this, be my guest. As such, I reserve the right to debate facts that I feel are inaccurate and/or misinformative.

[CATALYST MAKER]

Um yes they have. Its been promised sense the Catalyst Control Center release. Catalyst maker numerous time said he was implementing this feature. The importance of the feature = Is clearly as important as the users deem it to be. And yes alot of users want it. Do I have to go back to rage3d and once again show you the posts where Catalyst Maker promised them 2 years back? Made several attempts to pretend the Catalyst drivers had saturation controls? While there were numerous thread requests over Digital Vibrance? If they weren't going to add it any time soon. They should not have bothered to make an issue of adding it to the CCC. When a company says they will soon implement a feature. September 9th about the time when Catalyst Control Center was released they touted a a "Radiance" slider for the upcoming future of CCC. It's been over 6 months since they touted this "Feature". And over 2 years ago When catalyst maker was claiming that it was possible within the drivers. Yet.. it never surfaced.


I find it paticularly humerous that you're an expert on what "ATI" deems important for drivers. I've got all the time in the world to go back down this road again with you. Is that want bertha? It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see when your chain is being yanked. So lets do a time table here.

2 Years ago

1) Catalyst Maker is flooded with Requests for Digital Vibrance on forums.

2) Catalyst Maker Claims the functionality already exists in drivers,

3) Catalyst Maker suggests he will add one easy slider to mimic that can control all settings to mimic digital vibrance settings

4)Catalyst 3.4 provide a feature which allows you to adjust Gamma/Brightness/contrast in one slider. People are disgusted by the effect.

1.5 Years ago

1)It was discovered that ATI does not offer any form of saturation control in its drivers. Adjusting color controls within the Catalyst drivers always affects certain levels of grey and not the Hue.


Next Year

1)Numerous Threads occur over at rage3d and here. Requesting A Digital Vibrance like feature. Mods actually started closing them because they resulted in flame wars. ATI remained silent. ((quite the contrary to the last year)

6 Months Ago

1)ATI Promises a Radiancy feature for the Catalyst Control Center. This Radiancy feature is still being waited on. People are left scratching their heads as to why it hasnt been added. Even when ATI made a point acknowledge they are adding it soon. ATI may very well implement this feature eventually. 2 + Years however is not a timely fashion. And people who have wanted it have lost all hope of ever seeing it

Yes ATI has many time BSed us about the feature Digital Vibrance. Even outright lied about the capability existing within the current control panel. Just because not everyone wants the feature does not mean its not important. I can count several people who will not buy ATI products because this feature does not exist in their drivers. It comes down to the bottom line. When people will not purchase hardware because ATI has not implemented a feature. Then they lose money. I will Not buy another ATI product from a retail/consumer channel until ATI implements a feature that allows saturation control within their drivers. Many others have said this as well. I would agree that there are more important things to add to drivers that it would not be a high priority. But 2 + years is plenty of time to implement such a feature. Priority or not. I will reiterate. They have had 2 + years of complaints from customers. And as a result lost future sales. It's absolutely obsurd that they have not responded to this. Personally. I believe that their current hardware is not capable of it. I could very well be wrong. Actually I would really like to be wrong about this. But I have a feeling Radiancy is going to show up sometime around the R520's release.

Hi ChrisRay long time no talk. I just stoped posting here as I got the sense that my contribution was not welcome. However I have just been alerted of this thread, and felt that it seemed like my character and integrity were being questioned, I should pop in and say hi. If you would like an exlusive interview on this and any other topic let me know. I always am available for website interviews. If you dont have my email PM me so I can resend it to you.

[ChrisRay]

I have direct contact with Catalyst Maker. I never claimed to be an "expert", however I do know what I am talking about on this issue.

Catalyst Maker never publicly "promised" anything regarding a DV-type feature prior to CCC. I do not have the answer as to why that type of feature is not yet available. If you want to continue to berate CatMaker and ATI publibly over this, be my guest. As such, I reserve the right to debate facts that I feel are inaccurate and/or misinformative.


I have pointed you out in the past where CM has stated he was working on an overlay/contrast/gamma/saturation tool that he would implement into one slider. They did this in Catalyst 3.4, You seem to have a very selective about what you "want" to hear. And then only respond to what you'd like to hear/say.


1) Catalyst Maker has IMO misled people to believe the capabilities of the drivers. I point this out in this thread below.

2) Catalyst Maker directly contradicting his post and accusing me of spreading "Rumors". Which IMO is garbage. I merely went and told people on the futuremark forums and nvnews forums who have told me Saturation sliders were coming to Cat 3.3. He needs to be aware this his public posts are accountable. Alot of people were at least happy to find some acknowledgement. But I wasnt spreading rumors.


http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33674893&page=1&pp=30&highlight=Digital+Vibrance


1) This thread proves that Digital Vibrance cannot be done on ATI hardware with the current control panel. Providing evidence to what I have said.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33692213&highlight=digital+vibrance


I have direct contact with Catalyst Maker. I never claimed to be an "expert", however I do know what I am talking about on this issue.


Actually I know this. You arent exactly subtle. And it's exactly why I dont trust your opinions/statements regarding ATI drivers at all.

Catalyst Maker never publicly "promised" anything regarding a DV-type feature prior to CCC. I do not have the answer as to why that type of feature is not yet available. If you want to continue to berate CatMaker and ATI publibly over this, be my guest. As such, I reserve the right to debate facts that I feel are inaccurate and/or misinformative.

Dont patronize me like I dont know what I'm talking about. I at least spend the time to find and show evidence to the contrary. What do you do? Spend 5 seconds typing 5 sentences together telling me I'm wrong? You Sir are up to the burden of proof now. Not me. For the longest time people thought Saturation controls were in the Catalyst Drivers. Directly because of Catalyst Maker misleading information to the public on the capabilities of Catalyst color controls.

It's all over rage3d. It didnt take me long to find it either.


Hi ChrisRay long time no talk. I just stoped posting here as I got the sense that my contribution was not welcome. However I have just been alerted of this thread, and felt that it seemed like my character and integrity were being questioned, I should pop in and say hi. If you would like an exlusive interview on this and any other topic let me know. I always am available for website interviews. If you dont have my email PM me so I can resend it to you.

I appreciate you stopping by. While I have felt misled by you in the past. Which is somewhat of a sore issue with me. I would feel better if you'd answers my questions. Whether private or in public. Regarding saturation tools. I sent you a PM requesting your e-mail.



*Edit* I edited out calling CM a liar. I believe on my part that was out of line.

[MUYA]

Feedbacks or this thread is likely to be closed

[RpPRO]

Ok MUYA, here I come. :)

Didn't actually install this but expanded the opengl.dll and put it in the appropriate places. I gained some fps in Doom3 and Enemy Territory, whereas CoD and RtCW and all my opengl benchmarks are the same.
Still using old drivers.

[saturnotaku]

/me waits for CatalystMaker to send his goons into this thread/forum...

[DivotMaker]

/me waits for CatalystMaker to send his goons into this thread/forum...

"Goons"? Is this your "John Chaney" impression?

CM doesn't need any help at all from anyone as far as I can tell.....

[CATALYST MAKER]

/me waits for CatalystMaker to send his goons into this thread/forum...

You will be waiting a long time then. I dont have "goons" and I dont have a need to send people into any forums. When attacked, I am more than capable of defending my view points.

I have exchanged PM's with ChrisRay. He has my email address, and my offer for a public interview stands. About time that nvnews hosts an ATI interview... but I have a feeling it aint gonna happen.

[ChrisRay]

I think this thread has served its purpose. I would like to point out I made an error in the link I posted earlier. I linked to a quote. I was actually linking to this. I was half asleep at the time.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33674893&page=1&pp=30&highlight=Digital+Vibrance