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moorfang

03-12-05, 12:41 PM

http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/1193/index.html
If it's ture, the dual core Athlon64 looks very promising. :D

http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/1193/benchmark.png

ragejg

03-12-05, 12:49 PM

For content creation and business use, yes... for gaming... uhh, well, from what I've heard, dual core will not be a huge benifit...

I am excited about this new step in cpu evolution though.... :D

JoKeRr

03-12-05, 01:17 PM

For content creation and business use, yes... for gaming... uhh, well, from what I've heard, dual core will not be a huge benifit...

I am excited about this new step in cpu evolution though.... :D

not yet, but eventually they can't do it without dual and multi core architecture

jolle

03-12-05, 01:45 PM

Yeah not alot of games are SMP capable, Quake3 was but lost it in one of the patches from what I heard.. Doom III is somewhat SMP aware, but only if you are hosting a MP game, then it will supposedly run the Server on one CPU and Client on the other, from what ive heard..
I guess games will be SMP aware as the hardware starts becoming mainstream enough, and it looks inevitable atm.

superklye

03-12-05, 01:49 PM

Maybe this is a dumb question....but is it 2x1.2GHz cores = 2.4 or is it 2x2.4GHz cores = 2.4GHz?

GlowStick

03-12-05, 01:51 PM

If those resulsts are real, it should be a chip running at 2.4Ghz wiht 2 cores

superklye

03-12-05, 02:32 PM

Okay, but is each core 1.2GHz then? Or is it two cores, each at 2.4GHz?

GlowStick

03-12-05, 02:45 PM

Okay, but is each core 1.2GHz then? Or is it two cores, each at 2.4GHz?
erm they are both running at 2.4ghz

but you really cant all it that because its the same pecie of silicon :o

superklye

03-12-05, 02:47 PM

alright...that's what I wasn't sure of. Like if it was really two 1.2GHz cores that added together = 2.4GHz (which would be lame as hell).

Or if it was like having two 2.4GHz CPUs in a dual-processor set-up, just on the same die.

jAkUp

03-12-05, 06:01 PM

Nice :) can't wait till games start taking advantage of this

ragejg

03-12-05, 06:05 PM

if they do, then would smp opteron and Athlon MP owners experience the benifits as well, or is that an apples/oranges thing?

jolle

03-12-05, 06:51 PM

if they do, then would smp opteron and Athlon MP owners experience the benifits as well, or is that an apples/oranges thing?

All SMP should benefit from it, its all about running in separate threads I guess, which would be done irregardless of the form of dual CPU config your on.

I think Carmack expressed some concerns about doing this with games, keeping threads in sync and such..

ragejg

03-12-05, 06:55 PM

So theres a possibility that some tyan smp socket A mobo with some wire tricked and MP modded bartons could actually be a weirdly fast gaming platform...

... interesting... very interesting... :p

jolle

03-12-05, 07:18 PM

So theres a possibility that some tyan smp socket A mobo with some wire tricked and MP modded bartons could actually be a weirdly fast gaming platform...

... interesting... very interesting... :p

Well.. any SMP targeted games would be targeting modern Dual Core CPUs, which are ALOT faster then older Socket A cpus.
Then again, if they make them SMP aware and still expect them to run on 1 CPU then older SMP setups might be able to compete with a newer single CPU (singel core) setup, as they couldnt make them RELY on the combined CPU performance of 2 modern cores in that case..

But that would prolly be a while, until Dual Core CPUs are mainstream enough.
In the time between now and then they could prolly make the games (or engines) SMP aware but not put in content that wouldnt run well enough on a modern single CPU system..
Its pretty unprecedented with these kind of "leaps" with CPU performance, "almost" doubling performance for SMP aware software..
With GPUs this happens with almost every generation change, and I think graphics is more scalable (dunno tho) older cards run lower resolutions, lower texture res, lower Shadermodels etc..

Blacklash

03-12-05, 08:51 PM

I feel like it will come out and have many useful benefits yet not be implemented by all but a few developers. Much like most games are coded for the lowest common denominator.

Maybe before I die it will be in standard use, or actually taken advantage of in games :p

retsam

03-12-05, 09:03 PM

superklye

03-12-05, 09:20 PM

I can't wait until they have SLi 2.0 where you can have 4 x16 PCIe cards.

jolle

03-12-05, 09:47 PM

man dual core plus the new ageia phisics engine....man all the next gen games are gonna be trully amazing....mmmmmmm two cores jsut for ai and 20000+ interactive objects on screen .... wow 2007-08 is gonna be the golden years for gaming ...

Unless developers totally forget about "the game" and goes all "technuts", so we get boring but visually stunning games..

Its almost as if we are going to be using 2 computers soon hehe..
2 Cpu Cores and 2 GPUs.
All of that stuff (dual core, dual GPU/vid cards, PPU) might be the stuff that will keep the PC up to par with future consoles.
THEY can just put in whatever they want, change architectures and whatnot with every new console, PC is forced to comply with certain standards like x86 and stuff like that, backwards compatibility..
The upcoming Consoles seems to be pretty powerful stuff, but if we PC users are about to get Dual Core cpus AND offload them with PPUs, plus Dual GPU cards/SLI or Quad GPUs with 4 card SLI or 2 Card Dual GPU SLI, then we might have cought up within soon (and prolly passed them aswell)..

But then again there is the issue with making PC games run on older hardware, which will keep us behind for a while longer I guess, unless games are made extremely scalable in every aspect..

TierMann

03-12-05, 10:10 PM

With a new upgrade coming for me (sometime soon), I had a choice of dual opteron 250's (which would be nice for all the compiling I do) or an Athlon 64 4000 desktop and 3400 laptop together. I had to go with the single proc/laptop combo though rather than th dual opterons or waiting for dual core just because it'll probably be about another 2 years (IMO) before games are ready for SMP. And as was said here, only a couple current or old games actually make use of SMP. By the time it's ready, it'll be upgrade time again anyway, hehe.
For the most part, with my compiling I can run distributed compiling almost as quickly over the network. Look at 64 bit too. It's been around for a while and still people have trouble with newer games, drivers, etc.

The dual-cores are nice though. Hopefully the world will catch up by the time I'm ready for the next upgrade.

Pixelsmack

03-13-05, 03:19 PM

I can't wait to buy a system with twin dual cores for, four cpus! I just hope we see 2,000mhz+ bus speeds for those.

TierMann

03-13-05, 03:28 PM

Ignore this. Still sleeping.

Haut^Karl

03-14-05, 12:42 AM

"The Dual Core was only 7% off of a score posted by Quad (yes, four) Xeon 3.6 2MB L2 CPUs in the Cinebench 2003 CPU Benchmark, and managed to best dual Opteron 250s by 1fps." - nVnews frontpage

Is this a correct statement? Don't Xeon CPUs support HyperThreading making the 4 "logical CPUs" in the graph actually 2 physical CPUs? :confused:

GlowStick

03-14-05, 12:58 AM

Viral

03-14-05, 01:34 AM

Yes I noticed that too, it's still impressive that it bests a Dual CPU 2.4GHz opteron. I guess the revisions and faster link between the two cores make up for the shared memory controller and then some. This benchmark is one that favours Xeon more than most it seems.

threedaysdwn

03-14-05, 03:37 AM

Yeah someone needs to take that comment off the news page.

They're extremely impressive results to be sure. And I can't wait to get my hands on one of those.

But it isn't 4 Xeons you're seeing there, it's 2.

Still, they're the top-of-the-line Xeons and are much more expensive (and there really are two of them).