9700 Maxx!?

[rocketmanx]

VR Zone has a report that the chairman of ATI made a statement today they are looking into a possible 9700 max which would allow quad-monitors.

I wonder if this might mean we could eventually see some 3DFX tech resurface from Nvidia?

[Starscream]

Hopefully it won't limited to just 9x operating systems like their last maxx card. :p

[Bigus Dickus]

The bridge chip developed during the Radeon 256 days (R100) eliminates any problem with NT based operating systems. This chip has been used on an engineering Radeon MAXX AFR board, and is currently used on the Radeon 8500DV cards.

[Matthyahuw]

Whatever they make over 1 chip will be too much for the average user like us...pros only, like 3dsmax phr34ks...

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Matthyahuw
Whatever they make over 1 chip will be too much for the average user like us...pros only, like 3dsmax phr34ks...

amen to that, it won't be less than $600 :eek:

[Starscream]

Originally posted by Bigus ****us
The bridge chip developed during the Radeon 256 days (R100) eliminates any problem with NT based operating systems. This chip has been used on an engineering Radeon MAXX AFR board, and is currently used on the Radeon 8500DV cards.

I know I was just kidding, and you have to admit the fact that the rage fury maxx didn't work properly in nt based os' was quite lame.

[Richthofen]

i think the most interesting statement from the ceo was that there will be no 0.13 R300.
If Nvidia gets the NV30 out this year and if it is better and if they launch a whole bunch of products from top to bottom ATI will have some serious problems with a very expensive R300 in 0.15 because we all know how fast prices of ATI cards drop.

we will have to wait and see.

[Fotis]

Of cource there won't be an exact r300 0.13 refresh!R350 is in fact the "r300 0.13".You can't name an dx9.1(more shading flexibility) card with ddrII and probably 2TMU's per pipe an r300 0.13 refresh!;)
The radeon 9700 maxx is probably a workstation card or something!!It should be a very expencive card!!

[StealthHawk]

yes, there will be no .13 "R300." but there will be a .13 "R350" same thing, no? that's basically what everyone has been saying all along. the 9700 will be refreshed to .13 along with more features/speed etc

seeing as how ATI is using bad yields of R9700 as R9500, i don't think they will have many problems.

[Smokey]

Originally posted on front page
The Lite edition of Radeon 9700 which is possibly the Radeon 9500 will be targeting at the mainstream market will have the number of rendering pipelines and memory channels reduced by half


Not exactly the same me thinks ;)

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Smokey



Not exactly the same me thinks ;)

and what makes you think it won't have 4 pipelines and a 128bit bus?

[pelly]

yes, there will be no .13 "R300." but there will be a .13 "R350" same thing, no?

If ATI plans on using a new architecture with their R350...they will have BIG trouble on their hands...

In addition to the huge amount of time it will take to iron-don a .13 design....they will be adding a fair amount of development time as well?

And while all this is happenning, the best they can offer is a .15 part? You know Nvidia will exploit this by offering a number of different cards to steal every last bit of market from ATI.

Everyone has said Nvidia made a mistake....they didn't do the right thing.....shame on us...we should have known better. :D

[Richthofen]

"
You know Nvidia will exploit this by offering a number of different cards to steal every last bit of market from ATI.
"

Yeah that is true. Many people believed that if NV30 appears ATI will launch a 0.13 R300.
This will not happen at all and that is the most interesting statement from the CEO.
A 0.13 part R350 will not appear until the end of Q2 2003.
Nvidia on the other hand will be able to offer NV30 cards from top to bottom due to 0.13 manufacturing.
They should be able to launch a GeForce5 Ti5200 - you know mid range market - which is a full NV30 with all the pipes and so on but lower frequencies.
I contrast to that i think ATI will launch a Radeon9500 which has not all 8 pipes and only 128 Bit memory interface.

I am still convinced that in the long run 0.13 will have its benefit for Nvidia even if they launch their product a few months later.

[Smokey]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
seeing as how ATI is using bad yields of R9700 as R9500, i don't think they will have many problems.


I was just replying to this comment, if the R9700 is using 8 pipelines and the R9500 is using 4, I cant see how they can both be using the same chips? I wouldnt have thought that using bad yields from the R9700 to use for the R9500 would cut the pipelines in half :confused:

With your comment I thought you were saying that ATI are going to do what Nvidia did with the GF3 when the made the Ti200.

Now as for you question about 4 pipelines and a 128bit bus, I did say half of the R9700(which has 8) and I thought all cards since the GF1/Raedon used a 128bit bus? So I dont understand your question.

[Fotis]

Originally posted by Richthofen
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A 0.13 part R350 will not appear until the end of Q2 2003.

I think it's 1H 2003 Richthofen,it could be out in January for all we know!!;)

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by Fotis
I think it's 1H 2003 Richthofen,it could be out in January for all we know!!;)

ATI releasing their .13 part in January would be a brain-dead idiotic move. If projections are right in that the 9700 will be on store shelves by mid-September, a .13 part in January would be no more than four months after the release of the .15 chip. That would make a whole lot of people who bought the original 9700 awfully peeved.

I'm more inclined to believe the Q2 2003 theory. That will have given ATI 6-8 months of having their product on the shelf before a refresh.

[Megatron]

Originally posted by rocketmanx
I wonder if this might mean we could eventually see some 3DFX tech resurface from Nvidia?


LOL..3dFx tech..if it was any good theyd still be in business.
It looks like the Ti series of cards is already using "3DFX tech"..just look...the boards are about 10 inches long. Say what you want about ATI..but they showed you with the 9700 that you dont need to make the PCB the size of a ski to have good performance.

I just cant get excited about the possibility of Nvidia digging up dinosaurs to power their new cards.

[Fotis]

Originally posted by saturnotaku


ATI releasing their .13 part in January would be a brain-dead idiotic move. If projections are right in that the 9700 will be on store shelves by mid-September, a .13 part in January would be no more than four months after the release of the .15 chip. That would make a whole lot of people who bought the original 9700 awfully peeved.

I'm more inclined to believe the Q2 2003 theory. That will have given ATI 6-8 months of having their product on the shelf before a refresh.
I read on an Ati interview that they want to push radeon 9700 into the mainstream as soon as posible.They also said that they are moving to a more aggresive product cycle.Previously they had a 9 month product cycle.I think Ati cares far more about beating nvidia than protecting radeon 9700!!So a february to march release is very posible in my opinion!

[rocketmanx]

LOL..3dFx tech..if it was any good theyd still be in business.

It wasn't their tech that killed them, it was there lack of business sense.

Unfortuantely for ATI I think 3dfx's multi chip design worked much better than ATI's. I think Nvidia won't attempt a multi chip anyway as that would mean yet another revision/addition to a design that's already behind where we all thought it would be by now. Although if they could do a fairly easy integration of 3dfx's multi-chip tech then maybethey would attempt it.

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by Megatron
Say what you want about ATI..but they showed you with the 9700 that you dont need to make the PCB the size of a ski to have good performance.

I just cant get excited about the possibility of Nvidia digging up dinosaurs to power their new cards.

Umm, doesn't the 9700 need to have an external power source to get the necessary juice to it? Last time I checked my Ti4600, it may have been big but it runs just fine off the power my AGP slot provides. :rolleyes:

It wasn't their tech that killed them, it was there lack of business sense.

Unfortuantely for ATI I think 3dfx's multi chip design worked much better than ATI's.

I absolutely agree. 3dfx didn't have bad technology, but they simply weren't able to anticipate just how important things like AGP texturing and 32-bit color would be for gaiming. And when they got something to market that came close to supporting this stuff, nVidia was on the GeForce2 and stomping all over 3dfx.

[pelly]

Umm, doesn't the 9700 need to have an external power source to get the necessary juice to it? Last time I checked my Ti4600, it may have been big but it runs just fine off the power my AGP slot provides.

Well spoken saturnotaku...

I'm dying for Megatron to respond.......er....well, at least try to respond...




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[Megatron]

Originally posted by saturnotaku


Umm, doesn't the 9700 need to have an external power source to get the necessary juice to it? Last time I checked my Ti4600, it may have been big but it runs just fine off the power my AGP slot provides. :rolleyes:

Of course it does..it doesnt require as much power and doesnt deliver as much power as the monster 9700.You want a card that delivers that much power? you have to feed it.

Now what would be the reason the Ti4600, 4400s needed that long Nimitz class board when theyre about 50% of what a 9700 can do on a STANDARD size PCB? Who knows. Why they had to make the Ti4600 that big in the first place just looks like bad engineering.But maybe they figured people would think if it was longer it would be worth more money..or maybe the depended on adolescent youths who needed things long to compensate for..well..err thats offtopic i guess hehe.

Ive read that the 9700 will also run fine without the external power..but for Mobos that are..shall we say...lesser quality..the external power is there to ensure that the card will recieve the constant voltage that it needs for optimal performance /stability.(just what I read..maybe true..maybe not)

And you wont have to take off capacitors on your MOBO or move your floppy to a different bay to get it to fit.

Pelly..Ive always got ammo in the gun to "try and respond"..sometimes i just forget which threads ive posted in lol.

;)

[Megatron]

Originally posted by pelly
Well spoken saturnotaku...
I'm dying for Megatron to respond.......er....well, at least try to respond...:D

;)

[Megatron]

Originally posted by rocketmanx
Unfortuantely for ATI I think 3dfx's multi chip design worked much better than ATI's.

Ill give you that.
I had twin 12MB voodoo 2s in their day, and loved the SLI setup.

[pelly]

Er.....the "it's a powerhouse card so it needs a powerhouse to run it" reply is hardly an adequate response...

Let me wrap up a project here at work....I'll do my best to clarify the Ti4600 issue...


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