Radeon 9100 - Ummm, bear with me.

[poursoul]

The Radeon 9100 was announced.... sorry no more info

[poursoul]

Here's a quote

"
The RADEON 9100 is a high performance mainstream graphics processor for desktop PCs. Products based on the RADEON 9100 GPU will provide the outstanding 3D gaming performance, image quality and support for the latest game-enhancing features like DirectX 8.1 shaders. Its powerful architecture, including four parallel rendering pipelines and two geometry engines, is designed for optimal performance in the mainstream segment.
"

[ragejg]

Besting the 9000 how?
:confused:

[darkmiasma]

the actual quote was.

"The RADEON 9100 is a high performance mainstream graphics processor for desktop PCs. Products based on the RADEON 9100 GPU will provide the outstanding 3D gaming performance, image quality and support for the latest game-enhancing features like DirectX 8.1 shaders. Its powerful architecture, including four parallel rendering pipelines and two geometry engines, is designed for optimal performance in the mainstream segment.

If this sounds reminiscent of the RADEON 8500 products, you are correct! Our partners continue to see strong demand for products based on our R200 architecture, so we are re-introducing it as a part of our 9000-family of products."

[Bigus Dickus]

Hmm... with 20 million more transistors, it will cost more than 9000 based products. I wonder... isn't that encroaching on the 9500 non-Pro?

If it was just an AGP 8X enabled 9000, that would make sense, since those types of labels are apparently important to companies (witness Ti4800). But a more expensive core... have to wonder about that one.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Bigus Dickus
Hmm... with 20 million more transistors, it will cost more than 9000 based products. I wonder... isn't that encroaching on the 9500 non-Pro?

my thoughts exactly.

The Radeon 9100 was announced.... sorry no more info

where was the annoucement made? link please.

[darkmiasma]

I have no idea why they are going to do this ... unless they think that the 8500 can actually outperform the lesser 9xxx series of cards ... then the rebadge makes complete sense.

[saturnotaku]

Isn't the Radeon 9000 just a gimped down 8500 anyway? They use the same core as far as I know, just the 9000 has fewer pipelines I think. :confused:

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by darkmiasma
I have no idea why they are going to do this ... unless they think that the 8500 can actually outperform the lesser 9xxx series of cards ... then the rebadge makes complete sense. Well, actually the 8500 does outperform the 9000 series cards, so the new naming scheme puts things "back" in order.

Of course, you can argue that they shouldn't have been out of order to begin with, but then ATi would have missed out on the opportunity to exploit the current marketing trend of rebadging existing products with higher numbers. ;)

[Ratchet]

I think ATI is simply trying to get rid of some of their excess 8500 gpus (or vpus, whatever they call it). The 8500 is a bit faster than the 9000p, but the 9000p does better in PS ops due to it's slightly redesigned, more efficient PS engine. I doubt the 9100 will have those changes since, as I said, they are simply trying to get rid of 8500 excess stock.

[darkmiasma]

well there are no changes to the chip, and they arent just getting rid of stock ... they are going to keep producing it ... the only problem i have with this is the fact that they are making it a 9xxx card and tricking people into thinking it has DX9 capabilities ...

[poursoul]

the post was on [H] but the link they gave only lead to ATI's main site.

I've been searching, but I haven't found anything yet.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by saturnotaku
Isn't the Radeon 9000 just a gimped down 8500 anyway? They use the same core as far as I know, just the 9000 has fewer pipelines I think. :confused:

same number of pipelines, but only 1 texturing unit per pipe.

also for some strange reason the r9000 lags behind the r8500 in VS processing, despite the fact that ATI says both cards sport two VS.

of course, it was only with the launch of the r9000 that ATI finally revealed that the r8500 had 2 VS, so maybe the r9000 really only has one.

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by darkmiasma
well there are no changes to the chip, and they arent just getting rid of stock ... they are going to keep producing it ... the only problem i have with this is the fact that they are making it a 9xxx card and tricking people into thinking it has DX9 capabilities ...

The 9000 Pro isn't DX9 either, so I'm not sure what your point is...

[sebazve]

i bet its a r9000 with agpx8 support...it just marketting so they can claim now they have the same agp speed like their near competitors, Xabre600/400 and GF4MX-8x

[darkmiasma]

Originally posted by Lezmaka
The 9000 Pro isn't DX9 either, so I'm not sure what your point is...

ok, well i didn't know that ... i thought all of the 9xxx series were named that because they supported DX9.

[Gator]

I'm not sure why ATI is bothering to make a new kind of 8500/9000 card. The cheapo R9500 makes much more sense, as it benchs better than any ATI card below it, and it has the R300 architecture. Yes, granted its a stripped down version of the R9700Pro, but at least the GPU design is pretty much the same. At $155us, the R9500 makes more sense than a R8500, R9000, or R9100 :rolleyes:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=property&DEPA=1
http://www.sapphiretech.com/vga/9500.asp
9000Pro vs 9500 Benchmark (http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/gv-r9500/page3.asp)

And yes, the TI4200 eats the 9500(non-pro) alive, but I'm talking strictly 8500/9000 vs 9500. Clearly it makes no sense to buy the R200 cards anymore :p

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by Gator
And yes, the TI4200 eats the 9500(non-pro) alive...Is that still the case when some AA/AF is turned on?

[Gator]

Originally posted by Bigus Dickus
Is that still the case when some AA/AF is turned on?

I'm not sure, I saw these benchmarks though and thats how I determine the TI4200 was faster than the 9500(non-pro)
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/gv-r9500/page3.asp
apparently a lot of that has to do with the fewer pipelines and the 128bit only memory, which is why the 9500Pro is supperior to the non-pro

[thcdru2k]

ati 9500 is direct competitor with ti4200. the ati radeon 9500 reference card is slower than the ti4200. however, the sapphire 9500 card tends to be faster than the ti4200 especially in situations with AA/AF and when overclocked. at stock its slower than the ti4200 only without aa and af.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by darkmiasma
ok, well i didn't know that ... i thought all of the 9xxx series were named that because they supported DX9.

looks like their marketing works effectively then. uninformed consumers simply assume that ATI still retains it's logical naming scheme instead of trying to mislead consumers like nvidia :p

[thcdru2k]

it sure does, even the digit-life review of the r9500 in its conclusion says r9500 has the advantage over ti4200 because it is DX9 capable.

[Steppy]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
looks like their marketing works effectively then. uninformed consumers simply assume that ATI still retains it's logical naming scheme instead of trying to mislead consumers like nvidia :p

At this time, ATI is only shipping 9xxx numbered cards. As the number goes up, so does the performance. It seems pretty logical to me.

[darkmiasma]

Originally posted by Steppy
At this time, ATI is only shipping 9xxx numbered cards. As the number goes up, so does the performance. It seems pretty logical to me.

except for the fact that an 8500 will beat a 9000

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by darkmiasma
except for the fact that an 8500 will beat a 9000

That's why they're changing the name to 9100.