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oldsk00l
04-13-05, 04:46 PM
http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3496926

They sure were in a massive hurry to get dual core to market faster than AMD, even though AMD had been noodling on it longer.

Either way, impressive, I guess. I mean, it's a fine CPU, but what's it good for right now on the desktop?

Server-wise it's going to turn a few heads, but desktop? :eek2:

And also, look at how much effort went into getting it out sooner, company-wide %90 of their engineering ability toward this project? and fab re-tooling?

omg

In any case, it's not going to be as well implemented once AMD hits market. Intel's dual core shares some of the cache don't they? AMD has two FULL SEPERATE processors in one die.

*shrugs*

Whatever, looks like they're getting sick of lacking the newest hype. SLI nipped their heels, so at the last minute they give nVidia a milk & honey deal. 64-bit they didn't care too much about as they have the Microsoft puppet for XP-64...but 64-bit Linux has left them way back in '03. So when AMD uttered the words "dual core" it was like ... Intel freaked and said "YES, DUAL CORE IS TEH ROXX0RZ!!!!" and they come to market faster.

I may be mistaken though, but I recall hearing about dual core by AMD first when Hector Ruiz was on interview. Nothing from Intel until a bit after that.

Subtestube
04-13-05, 06:27 PM
Dunno about the rest, but Intel Dualies don't have shared cache.

superklye
04-13-05, 06:45 PM
Dunno about the rest, but Intel Dualies don't have shared cache.
I was reading about them in the new Maximum PC and apparently, the EE is EXACTLY the same as the non-EE high-end dual core CPU, the only difference being the EE has HT enabled on both cores. I want to see that!

Subtestube
04-13-05, 06:58 PM
Erm... there're already quite a few previews around of the Intel Dual Cores:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_pentium_extreme_edition_840/
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1781879,00.asp
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050405/index.html

But yeah... the whole 4 logical CPUs thing is pretty damn cool.. even if it doesn't buy you jack in heavyweight single-threaded programs.

superklye
04-13-05, 07:03 PM
Erm... there're already quite a few previews around of the Intel Dual Cores:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_pentium_extreme_edition_840/
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1781879,00.asp
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050405/index.html

But yeah... the whole 4 logical CPUs thing is pretty damn cool.. even if it doesn't buy you jack in heavyweight single-threaded programs.
Oh, I wasn't trying to say this was new info or anything...I really don't keep up on Intel processors all that much and print is almost always behind the internet, so yeah...I'm still just amazed at that. I couldn't imagine opening up Device Manager and seeing 4 "CPUs" listed. :)

Subtestube
04-13-05, 07:09 PM
Heh... yeah, the pics are pretty cool of the four CPU graphs. I must say though, I've always liked Intel platforms for their superb stability, but I increasingly can't see a reason to buy a new desktop Intel system. Due to the cash constraints of being a poor University Student, I can't afford to buy a new system every year, but unless something really dramatic happens, my next system will be a dual core A64 in 2k6. The big problem is that rumours suggest that the dual A64 systems will be running at the same clocks as their single core counterparts. Intel are dropping their CPUs down to 2.8-3.2 GHz, and that really doesn't look good to me. Even as games are going to become increasingly multithreaded, can anyone seriously see a P4D - 2.8GHz keeping up with what will likely be a similar priced A64 3200 w/ Dual-Core? I just don't see it. Intel's new chips only have a chance if AMD drop their clocks, and at present, rumours don't point that way at all.

ViN86
04-14-05, 10:44 AM
also, to me it didnt seem like AMD was dissipating as much heat as the P4's were. i bet if intel left the dual cores at the same speed, they would have melted the chip or made phase change coolers standard, heh.

Intel's dominance days seem to be numbered for a while imo (with respect to gaming PC's). they dont seem to get it though. dont get me wrong, however. their chips still do some incredible encoding and power workstations/servers nicely.

ynnek
04-14-05, 11:26 AM
ah, this post has it all.. skewed fanboy bias, and some mangled facts! :p

saturnotaku
04-14-05, 11:31 AM
And while Intel isnít making a public spectacle of it, the Extreme Edition chips will also start shipping with unlocked clock multipliers, much like AMDís Athlon 64 FX series. Itís a small nod to enthusiasts, even if the architecture isnít able to overclock well.

Found this bit interesting. One has to wonder just what good it would do because of the architecture and the already massive amount of power required to keep these CPUs running.

ViN86
04-14-05, 02:43 PM
ah, this post has it all.. skewed fanboy bias, and some mangled facts! :p
as does practically every other thread posted in forums on any hardware site :cool: