View Full Version : Flare in Russian Anti-Semitism
netviper13
04-16-05, 04:30 PM
50,000 Public Figures in Russia Seek Ban on Jewish Groups — Paper
Created: 04.04.2005 11:54 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 19:54 MSK
MosNews
Some 50,000 well known public figures and church officials in Russia have signed a petition asking the country’s state prosecution to ban Jewish groups, the Haaretz newspaper reported on Monday, quoting information broadcast by Army Radio.
The petition uses quotations from an abridged guide to Jewish law, the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, to support its contention that Judaism is “an extremist and racist ethnicity that hates non-Jews”.
The signatories — including former army generals, artists and an unnamed former international chess champion — argue that this definition of Judaism makes the activity of Jewish groups illegal, according to the radio.
A similar petition was signed by 20 Russian lawmakers about two months ago, the radio said.
Foreign Ministry official Nimrod Barkan warned Sunday that Russians were effectively getting the message that anti-Semitism would be tolerated.
“There’s the expansion of the number of anti-Semitic incidents, including violent incidents [in Russia]; the enforcement institutions avoid taking effective steps,” said Barkan, who heads the Diaspora and religion department in the ministry.
“This sends a message, also to those sitting on the fence,” he told Army Radio, “that it’s comfortable and secure to be anti-Semitic in Russia.”
http://mosnews.com/news/2005/04/04/haarezletter.shtml
I hope Putin reacts properly to this situation.
Who cares? You can probably find 50,000 people in the US that want the same thing, and this article was also on the news around 3 months ago!
intercede007
04-16-05, 09:34 PM
Who cares? You can probably find 50,000 people in the US that want the same thing, and this article was also on the news around 3 months ago!
And that somehow justifies the position?
No seriously who cares what a couple of whackos think? No one! This was in the news 3 months ago, and it didn't pass. I'm pretty sure there are 50,000+ hicks in the south that are anti-black/jew/or w/e, and that would gladly do something like this to ban other groups, and guess what no one would care because it wouldn't pass.
netviper13
04-16-05, 10:34 PM
No seriously who cares what a couple of whackos think? No one! This was in the news 3 months ago, and it didn't pass. I'm pretty sure there are 50,000+ hicks in the south that are anti-white, and that would gladly do something like this to ban other groups, and guess what no one would care because it wouldn't pass.
No, this particular article was not in the news 3 months ago. If you take the time to read it, it does reference an event 2 months ago where Russian lawmakers were talking about something like this. This article is talking about other public figures and church officials. While you may see 50,000 people who are anti-Semitic in the US, it sure as hell wouldn't be 50,000 public officials and church officials all together.
Vagrant Zero
04-17-05, 12:55 AM
That dudes names is NIMROD.
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
CybrSage
04-17-05, 07:56 AM
Who cares? You can probably find 50,000 people in the US that want the same thing...
There were less than 50,000 people who committed the atrocities on Crystal Night in Germany. I think MANY people cared about that...
There were less than 50,000 people who committed the atrocities on Crystal Night in Germany. I think MANY people cared about that...
Thing is not only am I Russian, I am also Jewish and I don't care. No one in Russia really cares about this. That newspaper is anti-putin, so it is quite biased.
Thing is not only am I Russian, I am also Jewish and I don't care. No one in Russia really cares about this. That newspaper is anti-putin, so it is quite biased.
If you do not care about anti-semitism, then you are either a self-hating Jew or not Jewish at all. Having Jewish blood does not necessarily make one a Jew. There is a french cardinal being considered for pope as I write this. He was born to Jewish parents that perished in the holocaust. BTW, Haaretz(the originator of the article) is not anti-Putin to any degree that I have ever seen.
If you do not care about anti-semitism, then you are either a self-hating Jew or not Jewish at all. Having Jewish blood does not necessarily make one a Jew.
True, though the nazis would execute you just for having a great-great grandmother who was Jewish. Of course they had to pay IBM big bucks to collate all that lineage data.
CybrSage
04-18-05, 03:38 PM
If you do not care about anti-semitism, then you are either a self-hating Jew or not Jewish at all.
Or just a loser. Not caring about the hating of a group of people for no other reason than their lineage is just as bad as being one of the haters.
Or just a loser. Not caring about the hating of a group of people for no other reason than their lineage is just as bad as being one of the haters.
Stretching it a bit thin there Sybr. If you are not with is us, you are against us?
netviper13
04-20-05, 04:01 PM
Stretching it a bit thin there Sybr. If you are not with is us, you are against us?
When it comes to something like anti-Semitism and genocide, complacence and/or dismissal is tantamount to support.
Wow, nice job guys you've completely taken what I said in the wrong way. I care about anti-Semitism, when it actually has an effect on someones life. While, this is just a bunch of retarded people saying bull****, and will not even have any kind of effect that goes on in Russia.
When it comes to something like anti-Semitism and genocide, complacence and/or dismissal is tantamount to support.
When and where was the last genocide you cared for?
netviper13
04-20-05, 05:22 PM
When and where was the last genocide you cared for?
While it was occuring? Seeing as how I'm only 18 I haven't exactly been around for many of the major events of the past century, but I did care about stopping the mess in the Balkans in 90s, and care about the genocide occuring in the Darfur region right now.
There is a difference between being personally involved in a an ethnic conflict and taking a moral position. I wasn't around for the Holocaust, but that does not mean I cannot take a stance on it and its ramifications today. Just as the Catholic church caught flak (and deservedly so) for not taking a stance on Hitler's genocide campaign, so too do I believe anyone who takes a neutral or "so what" stance on anti-Semitism today may as well be encouraging it.
Besides taking "a moral stance" how else have you cared for these events?
CybrSage
04-20-05, 07:14 PM
Besides taking "a moral stance" how else have you cared for these events?
Taking a vocal, moral stance against something is all most people can do. How many of us had the ability to travel to Rwanda during the slaughter there? Not only getting there is a problem, but surviving there as well. The inability to speak the language, the inability to dodge machetes, and the inability to stop others from using machetes are all major problems.
Most we can do is write our congressmen and the President with our views...and post on boards to increase awareness.
When awareness reaches a high enough level, the government acts.
But you already knew this, right, and were hoping the rest of us did not?
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