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CHEVYMAN_02
05-02-05, 12:43 AM
I was just browsing AMD website and found this interesting piece of equipment

MSI MOBO (http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo3-F&class=mb)

marqmajere
05-02-05, 02:28 AM
It was only a matter of time. Doesn't AGP and PCI-E run on a pci bus anyways?

ricercar
05-02-05, 03:31 AM
Well, AGP 1.x was originally 66MHz, or double PCI's 33MHz. AGP also had direct access to memory, but PCI signals often were bridged multiple iterations before they arrived at the northbridge before getting into RAM.

--But that's not the point. This board is seriously the third leg of motherboards. I'm too afraid to buy 939 so i buy 754. I'm too afraid of PCI-E so I buy AGP. It's for people who are too stupid to make up their minds.

Did you see that MSI publishes a list, of the only AGP cards that work with this monstrosity mothboard? Some of them are OLD! Yeah like I feel it's a worthwhile expereince to run a GeForce2 GTS on This MSI NEO3 board with a PCI-E BFG 6800 OC. Oooh. I quiver in anticiaption.

Forgive me, MSI sas it's not AGP, but no. Its, "AGR". ROTFLMFAO! A new name for a square AGP peg in a MSI's new round hole.

Consider there's a reason nobody ever made a multi-processor AGP board despite multi-processors being EXPLICITLY defined in the AGP3.0. Multi-processing AGP GPUs implemention must have been quite cumbersome. NVIDIA was losing the memory controller to the hammer series, and ATI had only the one exception: the inboard Radeon 9100 IGP that worked in tandem with an add-on AGP card.

Consider that NVIDIA had SLI plans taped into products from the GeForce4 AGP 8x era, yet NVIDIA didn't release OEM SLI designs until GeForce6 era for 3GIO (excuse me, --PCI-E!). Stop a moment and imagine the NVIDIA market recovery if in 2003-3004 the GeForce FX era cards were marketed to SLI with each other to deliver 150% performace of a Radeon 8900 Pro.

NVIDIA would not have waited for PCI-E if AGP3.0 was a viable platform for multi-GPU performacne. NVIDIA had their reasons for withholding multiple-GPU configurations until after AGP3.0, and they were probably a good ones.

I'll be curious whether MSI can do anything valuable with this motherboard, or if it'l be a support and performance nightmare like the Radeon 9100 IGP chipsets..

i tired now. i will waken and see the compaints regardign this rant.

Gnu_Raiz
05-02-05, 12:24 PM
--But that's not the point. This board is seriously the third leg of motherboards. I'm too afraid to buy 939 so i buy 754. I'm too afraid of PCI-E so I buy AGP. It's for people who are too stupid to make up their minds.

Did you see that MSI publishes a list, of the only AGP cards that work with this monstrosity mothboard? Some of them are OLD! Yeah like I feel it's a worthwhile expereince to run a GeForce2 GTS on This MSI NEO3 board with a PCI-E BFG 6800 OC. Oooh. I quiver in anticiaption.

Why would you want a 754 board, its not upgradeable can not run dual core cpu's, soon will be the realm of only 32 bit cpu's. I have also read that soon AMD will only make 64 bit for 939 and up, which means those current 754 64 bit cpu's will go up in price compared to the 939 parts.

The MSI board is for those who have current AGP cards and do no want to upgrade just yet. Why would you by a PCI-E board if you never plan on using it any way? Your better off staying with what you have, or buying a AGP 939 or 754 board, they still make those, and probably can find them cheaper.

As far as PCI-E using the PCI bus you need to do your homework, and read up on PCI-E. PCI-E is here to stay, it does so many things better. That being said I would still request that you buy a 939 board, you can find them for about the same cost as some 754 boards. You never know what might happen in a year or so, dual core cpu's could be reasonable by then, and its just a matter of swapping it out, and upgrading the bios.

Gnu_Raiz

CHEVYMAN_02
05-03-05, 03:01 PM
I plan to buy one because i don't want to upgrade from 754 to 939. I think the 939 can be to expensive. I plan to get the

ECS Nforce 4 - 70.24 @ Newegg.
AlbaTron 5750 - 85

ynnek
05-03-05, 03:30 PM
i like the red text stating that this board may or maynot work with memory using standard settings... lol

also, is this a "real" AGP slot, or simply a PCI slot wired up to accept AGP cards?

Gator
05-03-05, 03:37 PM
there is a couple S754 boards with PCIE, but thus far none of them have been working that well I hear :(

http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135190
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130493
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813123244
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813180069
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131533
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813186056

CHEVYMAN_02
05-04-05, 09:30 AM
well i am going to try it out to see how well it works