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princethorpe
05-02-05, 02:14 PM
Can anyone help? My old mx440 is now overstreched and I need to buy a new card. The 6600 range look good and have good reviews. I can find specs for the 6600 (128Mb) and the 6600gt. Can anyone point me where to find the spec for the 6600 (256MB)? Is this card worth seeking out or would the money be better spent on the GT? Is there a manurfacturer to avoid or to be positive go for. Sorry for all the questions but I'm out of touch with tech jargon. My son has been playing Soldner but with the last update I had to upgrade to XP and since then the old card doesn't really cope especially with underwater scenes when the game crashes


Thanks
amd 2200
1 gig ram

Edge
05-02-05, 02:25 PM
It's better to go with the 6600GT. The extra memory isn't really needed, and by the time it will be, a faster card would serve you much better than more texture memory. If you're REALLY on a budget, you might also want to consider the 6200. Not nearly as fast as it's big brothers, but for $100 it would still be a very good upgrade from a GF4mx. Oh, and for your crashing issue, have you tried updating the drivers? Might work as a temporary hold over while you get a new card.

BFG is generally a good choice, as is EVGA. The rest are kinda up in the air, but pretty much any 6600gt would work very well. Just make sure you get the AGP version or it won't work with your motherboard (assuming you have an AGP motherboard, which you probably do with a 2200+ CPU).

Pandora's Box
05-02-05, 02:39 PM
It's better to go with the 6600GT. The extra memory isn't really needed, and by the time it will be, a faster card would serve you much better than more texture memory. If you're REALLY on a budget, you might also want to consider the 6200. Not nearly as fast as it's big brothers, but for $100 it would still be a very good upgrade from a GF4mx. Oh, and for your crashing issue, have you tried updating the drivers? Might work as a temporary hold over while you get a new card.

BFG is generally a good choice, as is EVGA. The rest are kinda up in the air, but pretty much any 6600gt would work very well. Just make sure you get the AGP version or it won't work with your motherboard (assuming you have an AGP motherboard, which you probably do with a 2200+ CPU).


just to make things more complicated :D

i dont see the point in getting a 6200 for 100 bucks when you can buy refurbished 9800 pro's from newegg for 110 bucks

Gentle
05-02-05, 02:57 PM
Well, the 6600 (which the 6200 AGP can be unlocked to) is probably still faster than the 9800 you are talking about.

Gentle

princethorpe
05-02-05, 03:05 PM
Thanks both for your speedy replies. I've tried the latest NV drivers 74:89 with the 440 still the same crashing problem. Only when he gets his commando character on the Soldner game (Jowood)to use inferred or go under water. The texture on the start screne is poor the ground blacking out. I have tried Omega drivers which worked better when on win 98 but they dont perform on XP. I have loaded on older drivers 56.56 which gives better texture and the ground is now present but still the crashing out. he has checked with other online gamers and they are ok. The 440 is not recommended for this game and I cannot find out why. Im in the UK so prices are a bit higher so I'll search for a good price. Thanks for the manurfactures advice. Yes it is the agp version I'm going for.

Pandors' box
Is the 9800 pro a good option? perhaps cash wise

Thanks again

princethorpe
05-02-05, 03:28 PM
On a quick search the 6200 128Mb and 6600 256 Mb arn't a million miles apart price wise. about 20. Is it worth the extra few bob (sorry for the coloquil english) I noticed the comment that the 6200 can be opened up to be a false 6600 with rivatuner. but would having the 256 memory be better? What advantage is the extra on memory? Are all 6600's 128 bit I notice from another forum that some 6200s are 64 bit which are slower. Does the 6600 need a seperate power supply. Should the 6200 have a fan the pictures I've seen doesn't have one?

Thanks againall advice gratefully recieved and valued

Viffer5
05-02-05, 06:59 PM
I say 6600GT, or 6800nu or GT. The performance of the 6600GT is quite an improvement over your current video card and will run any game you want. Don't bother with anything lower than a 6600GT. The 6800nu (non-ultra) have come down substantially and have been proven to be very good overclocking cards to near GT speeds. They are feature 256bit memory bus so they shine at higher res with AnitAliasing and Anisotropic Filtering. The 6600 series with it's 128 bus chokes at higher res with the "eye candy" turned on.

6600GT, 6800nu, 6800GT that's what I recommend in that order.

Gentle
05-02-05, 10:30 PM
On a quick search the 6200 128Mb and 6600 256 Mb arn't a million miles apart price wise. about 20. Is it worth the extra few bob (sorry for the coloquil english) I noticed the comment that the 6200 can be opened up to be a false 6600 with rivatuner. but would having the 256 memory be better? What advantage is the extra on memory? Are all 6600's 128 bit I notice from another forum that some 6200s are 64 bit which are slower. Does the 6600 need a seperate power supply. Should the 6200 have a fan the pictures I've seen doesn't have one?

Thanks againall advice gratefully recieved and valued

O.k. Sorry about not clarifying that. Yes, some 6200's are 64bit, but I thought the 64bit ones were the TC (turbocache, on the PCIe bus) variant. Just don't consider a 64bit variant.

On the 6600 series cards, it's not really advisable to get a 256meg card. The memory bandwidth just isn't there. As the 6200 and 6600 series cards only have a 128bit memory bus, the bandwidth is less.

The 6600 and 6600GT (AGP variants) should both use a power connector attached to the end of the card. It does not require a separate power supply. (You may want to make sure your power supply is adequate though.) I am not certain about the 6200, as I bought my 6600GT before the 6200 became available on the market.

As the 6200 probably runs at the default 300MHz core speed all the time, if you choose to overclock it you might want to get better cooling if all it comes with is a heatsink unit.

If you have a 17" screen, and aren't planning on upgrading to a faster processor or a newer system with a PCIe bus, you should consider the 6600GT first. The 17" screen size will limit your gaming resolutions to ones that the 6600GT will run well. If you were to get a 6800 series card for example, you would want a larger monitor to run the resolutions that the 6800 can take advantage of.

If you have a larger screen, and/or are planning on upgrading the processor or the system to a faster machine very soon, you might consider the 6800 series cards because it would be a better long term solution for you.

Gentle

Pandora's Box
05-02-05, 10:37 PM
6600 standard (not the 6600 GT) gets destroyed by the 9800 pro 128MB.

princethorpe
05-03-05, 04:48 AM
Thanks once again for the advice and info. It looks as if it will be the 6600gt. I'll have to do some price searching. There seems to be a bit of variance. Also need to check the retailer on http://www.romulus2.com/feedback/chart.php?1 (UK) just incase there are any problems. PC nextday looks good (123). Although supplied card apparently noisy according to this 6600gt review. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2295UK
Anyone from the UK know anyone else?


Thanks again for help. Experience and knowledge is worth so much more than any facts and review

Stryker1
05-03-05, 08:24 PM
Ditto the above. The 6600 GT is the way to go, but don't discount a 6800 nu. I've enabled all 16 pipelines and 5 vertex shaders on mine and overclocked the card. It runs great. The only problem I have is I'm saddled with 128MB of RAM. Too bad.

Gator
05-03-05, 08:56 PM
I think what everybody is forgetting here is that the system is an AthlonXP 2200. So to get a 6800NU is a waste of money since you really can't fully utilize it with those specs. And besides if you're gonna upgrade from an old GF4MX then nearly anything is gonna be a huge improvement. So yes a 6600 is a great upgrade, and if you can get it cheap then go for it. Obviously a 6600GT is better, but again on a limited configuration like that it's not gonna matter much.

And don't bother with a 6600 with 256mb, get the cheap 128mb version. 6600 only has a 128bit memory bus so it lacks the bandwidth to effectively use 256mb of texture space, it's just a marketing gimick.

jAkUp
05-03-05, 11:59 PM
I'm pretty sure the 6600/gt do not use a molex connector on the card itself.

If you can afford to move up to a 6800NU then go for that. The 256bit memory bandwith will come in handy.

911medic
05-04-05, 12:22 AM
The AGP version of a standard 6600 256MB (AOpen) I bought recently does have a molex connector on the card.

jAkUp
05-04-05, 12:32 AM
Oh, It must be the PCIe cards that don't have the connector...

911medic
05-04-05, 11:05 AM
And don't bother with a 6600 with 256mb, get the cheap 128mb version. 6600 only has a 128bit memory bus so it lacks the bandwidth to effectively use 256mb of texture space, it's just a marketing gimick.I realize it's only one review/test setup, but over at Guru3D they have some numbers (starting here (http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/160/9/)) that reflect a 2-5 FPS advantage for the 256MB card over the 128MB card. The advantage varies from test to test, but is almost always there.

Having said that, the only reason I bought the 256MB is that there was a mail-in rebate that made it cheaper than the 128MB cards at the time.

ragejg
05-04-05, 11:12 AM
Looks like you got a pretty good deal, and I'd tend to think that if the nv43 core can take advantage of 256mb of memory even with a 128 bit memory bus, then with some overclocking, the improvements could be even more profound... :)

ragejg
05-04-05, 11:14 AM
6600 standard (not the 6600 GT) gets destroyed by the 9800 pro 128MB.

OC a 6600, run the benchies, then re-evaluate your opinion. Seriously. :p:p heck, my Sixty TWO hundred layeth smack down on any R3xx...

Gator
05-04-05, 11:16 AM
I realize it's only one review/test setup, but over at Guru3D they have some numbers (starting here (http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/160/9/)) that reflect a 2-5 FPS advantage for the 256MB card over the 128MB card. The advantage varies from test to test, but is almost always there.

Having said that, the only reason I bought the 256MB is that there was a mail-in rebate that made it cheaper than the 128MB cards at the time.

Well it's not much of a frame rate increase, but if it's consistent then that's good. And if you got it cheaper than the 128mb card... it's a win-win situation :thumbsup:

911medic
05-04-05, 02:08 PM
Looks like you got a pretty good deal, and I'd tend to think that if the nv43 core can take advantage of 256mb of memory even with a 128 bit memory bus, then with some overclocking, the improvements could be even more profound... :)I got it for a friend (built him a cheap gaming system), and he didn't want anything OC'd, so it's running at stock right now for him (300/500, I believe). However, when I was stress testing the system prior to delivery, it went to 500 core no problem. Memory didn't go too much higher, maybe 50 MHz. But that core OC; wow, I was amazed.

princethorpe
05-04-05, 02:58 PM
Me again. Purely to expand my knowledge whats a "molex" connector?

I have searched the net and found a local company doing the Asus 6600gt for a good price. The bonus is it's the upgraded version which runs 10% faster than the standard. As to the 2200 processor hopefully that will be improoved soon. It'll then be down to tuning and balancing the system. As you will appreciate once you step out of the stream with computers they rush on a pace especially with the jargon. My heads still spinning. No doubt there is some puter lexicographer waiting to confuse me more. Thats why these forums are so valuable and a life line for some of us.

Thanks again


Thanks again all.

Gator
05-04-05, 03:01 PM
Me again. Purely to expand my knowledge whats a "molex" connector?...

It's the power connector you typically use for a CDROM drive. It looks like this...
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=11504

princethorpe
05-04-05, 03:26 PM
Thanks Gator for the picky. Never Knew it was a "Molex" con. only ever heard them referred to as a power connector. Ive had the lid off the machine and I've got one spare to use. It is the agp version that needs the external supply. I've checked the power supply and meets the min requirements. The motherboard I have got can go up to an AMD 3000 processor. So should be able to boost that quite a bit.

princethorpe
05-11-05, 03:11 PM
New card fitted. Awesome. just got to sort out smartdoctor. I can only get the twin slider screen smdoc 4.68 enhanced driver 115

Gator
05-11-05, 04:48 PM
New card fitted. Awesome...

Glad you like it, the 6600 cards definetly kick ass for the money :) :thumbsup:

...just got to sort out smartdoctor. I can only get the twin slider screen smdoc 4.68 enhanced driver 115

No idea what you're talking about. What's smartdoctor? :confused: