9700 OC to 450/800 a GFX Killer

[Shadowx]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/video/radeon9700pro-overclocking/

Thougth you like to know of this article since people dont think the 9700 can get above 400mh chip speed.

Shadowx

[thcdru2k]

yeah with watercooling.

a geforcefx with watercooling would kill a watercooled r300 too.

[Shadowx]

But for comparison if nv30 comes at 450mhz of speed or 500 we get to see how a similar clock 9700 will perform and know if the r350 really can compete with nv30. If the nv30 blows a r300 at almost the same speed and r350 been a r300 upgrade then r350/nv30 migth be close. if not then r350 can beat nv30 by a fair large margin. What do you think?

[LORD-eX-Bu]

remember ben6 said that nVIDIA has GFFX working at 700 Mhz engine in their labs? I don't think R300 can compete much with that, RV350 tho, that might, since it is .13 micron, maybe it will be able to clock high, but what I don't understand is, why make your high-end part .15 and your mainstream .13?:confused:

[Shadowx]

p4 may be at 6ghz in lab speed. Do you really think nv30 will come out retail at 700mhz i think that to much. 500-550 i think and co to 600-650.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

well duh, its not like everyone is gonna be having their R300 doin' these speeds either, it just shows that these cards are capable of these speeds.;) :D

[Shadowx]

what to expect of a nv30/r350 performance wise if the are in the market in time, if r350 slips then its r350/nv35 and that its another story.

[StealthHawk]

we haven't even seen benchmarks of the final NV30 silicon on final drivers yet.

and we've seen no benchmarks from any sort of NV30 with AF or FSAA. it's too early in the day to say that the R300 will be as fast or faster without even having seen NV30 :rolleyes:

[Bigus Dickus]

Well, we've seen nVidia's numbers with the game of their choice, a map custom made by them, at resolution and IQ settings of their choice, and using ATi drivers of their choice for a comparison.

And they got 30%.

I don't think it's outrageous to think that perhaps, by only bumping up clockspeeds (by ~35%), the R300 core could easily keep pace. It also seems reasonable to use this OC figure as a "guess" of what core speeds they could have the R350 running at (I'm thinking more like 400 or 425 on the core, but the 800 memory seems likely).

;)

[-=DVS=-]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
remember ben6 said that nVIDIA has GFFX working at 700 Mhz engine in their labs? I don't think R300 can compete much with that, RV350 tho, that might, since it is .13 micron, maybe it will be able to clock high, but what I don't understand is, why make your high-end part .15 and your mainstream .13?:confused:

Sure it runs fast with Dustbuster on lol :rolleyes: :D realy Nvidia should do something about that , but high cloak's are not everything its still limited by 128 bus , ******* why nvidia could not have made it with 256 bus :mad:

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Bigus Dickus
Well, we've seen nVidia's numbers with the game of their choice, a map custom made by them, at resolution and IQ settings of their choice, and using ATi drivers of their choice for a comparison.

And they got 30%.

I don't think it's outrageous to think that perhaps, by only bumping up clockspeeds (by ~35%), the R300 core could easily keep pace. It also seems reasonable to use this OC figure as a "guess" of what core speeds they could have the R350 running at (I'm thinking more like 400 or 425 on the core, but the 800 memory seems likely).

;)

the point being that several of "you guys" seem to think that NV30 drivers will be full of bugs that cause incompatibilities and rendering errors. why would the drivers be maxed out for performance too?

in other words, is it not unreasonable to expect boosted performance by the time the cards are actually available en masse in Febuary from the time they were demoed in November?

[gokickrocks]

thats the same assumption people have on the 9700 pro...the engineers say it has a lot more life in it, if i recall, they said it is around 65% (dont remember what the exact percentage was that they gave) of its potential at the moment...but, you guessed it, the drivers need to be more optimized

[Dazz]

It seems the Geforce FX ultra will only be 500MHz while the standard Geforce FX will be 400MHz.

[Shadowx]

http://www.reactorcritical.com/cgi-bin/news.cgi?templ=single.http&id=1286

if the geforcefx is 400/900 the the OC9700 migth tell us were these two designes are compare to one another. I think the geforcefx ultral 500/1000 has to beat this OC9700.

[druga runda]

Hey and JC Viggen had his card OC's to 495/393 , he is top of the 3D Mark Orb at the moment... and it says it had the card oc'd to 502, but not very reliable LOL.

So here you have Radeon can be pushed even to 500 clock with extreme cooling.

[Nv40]

what i will really like to see is how
well the Non-ultraGeforceFX do it against the radeon9700pro.

if Nvidia manage to made the non ultra,even 5% faster
than the r300 ,then i would really be impressed .

[Shadowx]

http://www.over-clock.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=17;t=105

whith 9700 pro been sale running at 400mhz retail. and this guy OC its 9700 to 500mhz. R350 migth be a 500mhz card or 475mhz. Either way a powerful product to compete with nv30, I think the nv35 will reach 650-700mhz on a refine .13 process. I think if Ati does not produce the r350 in stores 1 to 2 months after the nv30 nvidia will cath up and regain the high end. What do you think? Can ATI make good yeilds from a product in .15 process to get it in time to batle nv30?

[gokickrocks]

Originally posted by Nv40
what i will really like to see is how
well the Non-ultraGeforceFX do it against the radeon9700pro.

if Nvidia manage to made the non ultra,even 5% faster
than the r300 ,then i would really be impressed .

IMO, 5% would be very disappointing

[gokickrocks]

Originally posted by Shadowx
http://www.over-clock.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=17;t=105

whith 9700 pro been sale running at 400mhz retail. and this guy OC its 9700 to 500mhz. R350 migth be a 500mhz card or 475mhz. Either way a powerful product to compete with nv30, I think the nv35 will reach 650-700mhz on a refine .13 process. I think if Ati does not produce the r350 in stores 1 to 2 months after the nv30 nvidia will cath up and regain the high end. What do you think? Can ATI make good yeilds from a product in .15 process to get it in time to batle nv30?

well its been said that ati has been undergoing volume production of the r350 already

[Nv40]

IMO, 5% would be very disappointing

not really ,if you remember the physicall bandwidth the
RADeon9700pro has over the GeforceFX 500/1000 ultra..
its near 20Gb bandwidht (r300) vs 16Gb of the GeforceFx-ultra.

the non-ultra (400/900) should be even lower.. somewhere 14GB
vs the 20Gb of the radeon9700pro.. ouch!

nobody believed it was possible for Nvidia to release
a card faster than the Radeon9700pro with a 128bit bus
with less physical bandwidth.

another really good one ,will be the NV31 ,the succesor of the Geforce4 but with DIrectx9 features.. versus the R9700pro
and the R9500pro. i think Nvidia should have no problem
defeating any 128bit card from ATI. in fact i predict that
in 128bit vs 128bit is where Nvidia will really shines.

and it can be really competitive if not faster than the
Radeon9700 non-pro ..

but i agree that it is better to wait for benchmarks and see if Nvidia claims in performance are the same with retail cards.. :)

[gokickrocks]

my reasoning as to why 5% would be very disappointing...

1. r300 will most likely be a lot cheaper, its already under 300 (yes, the 9700 PRO) now
2. r350 is in volume production and will be released depending on how well or not well the nv30 will do, and im positive that it will be more than 5% better than the r300

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by Nv40
what i will really like to see is how
well the Non-ultraGeforceFX do it against the radeon9700pro.

if Nvidia manage to made the non ultra,even 5% faster
than the r300 ,then i would really be impressed .

That would be impressive. Highly unlikely, but impressive.

[noko]

Who said R350 was in production? I thought only recently it just taped out :confused:. In addition if in mass production then test samples would have been made and I have yet heard of anyone having a R350 powered card nor a rumor of one.

I do believe that the R350 will probably pin compatiable and with only minor modifications will work on the R300 boards so cost to produce will not be much more if not less then the R300 boards initially. So ATI could have a performance winner and a price winner from the get go when the GF FX comes to town.

[Bigus Dickus]

According to previously reliable sources, R350 taped out sometime in the late October to mid November time frame. Other sources claim it should be in production "by the end of this year."

That means, very likely, that it already is in production. I think ATi could probably have this product on shelves in early March if need be.

[noko]

Hmmmmmmm, maybe wait, probably not. A Radeon 9700pro in Jan for me :D.