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Sazar
05-13-05, 10:10 AM
He was the darling, he was the scapegoat, he IS the darling again.

People are not wrong for calling him a survivor. And yet I cannot help but be worried about his re-ascendence after all that is known about him and what he has done not just in the past wrt Iraq but in other nations.

He is currently heading the Iraqi Oil Ministry whereby he controls the maximum amount of revenue entering the Iraqi coffers.

The more amusing aspect of his ascendence to the new position in Iraq's brand new government is that instead of continued charges of fraud that nearly brought Jordan to its knees, Iraq (on behalf of Chalabi) has asked Jordan for a formal pardon on the fraud charges.

I guess a deputy prime minister with an out-standing fraud charge on his resume just doesn't look so good.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8472734

Jordan is considering a request by Iraq to pardon former Pentagon favorite Ahmad Chalabi but would insist on the return of millions of dollars he was convicted of embezzling in a bank scandal, officials said on Thursday.

Chalabi's resurgence as one of four deputy prime ministers in Iraq's first elected government since the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003 has forced his status onto the agenda of Jordanian-Iraqi ties, officials said.

They said Jordan's King Abdullah told Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, who proposed a pardon during a visit to Amman this week, that he was ready to review Chalabi's conviction by a military court in 1992.

But the monarch, who has the power as the ultimate legal authority to issue a royal pardon, made no commitment beyond that, one official said.

"There are legal and financial aspects that have to be addressed first," another official involved in the case said. "The financial issues are complex and any settlement will include retrieval of sums that the Central Bank had to pay to bail out depositors."

Jordanian investigators estimated the missing bank deposits at $300 million.

A military court convicted Chalabi in absentia of embezzlement, fraud and breach of trust after a bank he ran collapsed in 1989, shaking Jordan's financial system.

Jordanian investigators say they unravelled a web of gross irregularities at Petra Bank which Chalabi founded during a long residence in the country, involving the siphoning of depositors' money to Chalabi's offshore accounts.

Chalabi, who fled Jordan as the scandal broke, denies any wrongdoing and says the charges were politically motivated.

The pardon would lift a sentence of 22 years hard labor on a man who once enjoyed great influence in Jordan.

Chalabi moved on to create a CIA-backed Iraqi opposition group, which included Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Continued ...



How many lives does he indeed have, and how much faith can we put in him?

UDawg
05-13-05, 10:22 AM
Yay! saz is on about this again.


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oldsk00l
05-13-05, 10:23 AM
It's the iraqi people putting faith into him. Crazy too, he didn't fill any mass graves but he's just as prone to scandal it seems.

What a flake....with 9 lives.

Sazar
05-13-05, 10:32 AM
It's the iraqi people putting faith into him. Crazy too, he didn't fill any mass graves but he's just as prone to scandal it seems.

What a flake....with 9 lives.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

"where oh where have the billions gone"

CybrSage
05-13-05, 10:34 AM
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

"where oh where have the billions gone"


"gone to Chalabi everyone one...when will we ever learn..."

DiscipleDOC
05-13-05, 10:34 AM
If he's that bad, why is he in power?

oldsk00l
05-13-05, 10:35 AM
The same way Clinton got elected.

CybrSage
05-13-05, 10:38 AM
The same way Clinton got elected.

Smiled and lied to the American people?

DiscipleDOC
05-13-05, 10:38 AM
*Shoots self in the foot....

oldsk00l
05-13-05, 10:39 AM
Smiled and lied to the American people?

Yeah, I think that's about right. Chalabi is full of it, and the Iraqi people are mis-placing their trust in him.

DiscipleDOC
05-13-05, 10:41 AM
Yeah, I think that's about right. Chalabi is full of it, and the Iraqi people are mis-placing their trust in him.
Honestly, I don't think we can say that. If another country tried to influence our elections, we would cry bloody murder. Iraq will have to find out from their own experience how bad/good he is.

oldsk00l
05-13-05, 10:43 AM
Honestly, I don't think we can say that. If another country tried to influence our elections, we would cry bloody murder. Iraq will have to find out from their own experience how bad/good he is.

We still have the freedom to trash talk him though. If they have a good reason to take up for him I would be open to it. It's no different than the groups of Iraqi's that hate Bush.

DiscipleDOC
05-13-05, 10:44 AM
true

Sazar
05-13-05, 10:53 AM
Honestly, I don't think we can say that. If another country tried to influence our elections, we would cry bloody murder. Iraq will have to find out from their own experience how bad/good he is.

Well first of, he was not elected by the Iraqi people.

The parties elected had to put together a government and he happens to be one of the choices that got approvied, the Iraqi people themselves never voted for him, only the cabinet and the political allies he made.

He's like the energizer bunny, takes a lickin', keeps on tickin'.

oldsk00l
05-13-05, 10:55 AM
Well first of, he was not elected by the Iraqi people.

The parties elected had to put together a government and he happens to be one of the choices that got approvied, the Iraqi people themselves never voted for him, only the cabinet and the political allies he made.

He's like the energizer bunny, takes a lickin', keeps on tickin'.

I still think that in a way the Iraqi people have a responsibility in this. The American people get held accountable for stuff Rumsfeld does.

UDawg
05-13-05, 12:21 PM
Well first of, he was not elected by the Iraqi people.

The parties elected had to put together a government and he happens to be one of the choices that got approvied, the Iraqi people themselves never voted for him, only the cabinet and the political allies he made.

He's like the energizer bunny, takes a lickin', keeps on tickin'.
That is Timex not Engergizer. ;)

oldsk00l
05-13-05, 12:55 PM
Chalabi sounds like some kind of polish dish anyways.

Sazar
05-13-05, 01:47 PM
Oh undoubtedly this is all the Iraqi's and has nothing to do with us. But I can't help feeling he is going to come back and bite us in the ass like he has done so often before to so many other peoples and entities.

oldsk00l
05-13-05, 02:29 PM
Oh undoubtedly this is all the Iraqi's and has nothing to do with us. But I can't help feeling he is going to come back and bite us in the ass like he has done so often before to so many other peoples and entities.

Right
and when we start taking your posts at face value as if there isn't any sarcasm in them...pigs will start to fly and have human female breasts for ears!!!

DiscipleDOC
05-13-05, 02:37 PM
Right
and when we start taking your posts at face value as if there isn't any sarcasm in them...pigs will start to fly and have human female breasts for ears!!!
Leave tittydawg out of this! :mad:

oldsk00l
05-13-05, 02:38 PM
ahem

I was CLEARLY referring to tittypiggy!

Tittydawg has breasts in the correct area.

I'd love to see someone put tittypiggy together tho...

Sazar
05-13-05, 04:21 PM
Right
and when we start taking your posts at face value as if there isn't any sarcasm in them...pigs will start to fly and have human female breasts for ears!!!

?

What the hell prompted this?

F*ck you too oldskool. I guess I should never have taken you off ignore. I guess you make a little more sense on IRC.

oldsk00l
05-13-05, 04:26 PM
?

What the hell prompted this?

F*ck you too oldskool. I guess I should never have taken you off ignore. I guess you make a little more sense on IRC.

Well, if it was at face value that just weird.

Oh undoubtedly this is all the Iraqi's and has nothing to do with us. But I can't help feeling he is going to come back and bite us in the ass like he has done so often before to so many other peoples and entities.

Given your propencity to try to blame the USA for a mistake first I have a hard time taking this post at face value.

That or you have an engrish problem due to your lack of citizenship.