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Ruined
06-02-05, 11:53 AM
http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24350

That would be really poor if that turned out to be true. Would give XBOX360 the obvious technology edge for sure (again) since X360 will include a 20gb upgradable HD.

|MaguS|
06-02-05, 12:08 PM
Um both systems lack a built in hard drive, they both are using removable HDs that come included with the system (atleast as far as we know).

Ruined
06-02-05, 12:17 PM
Um both systems lack a built in hard drive, they both are using removable HDs that come included with the system (atleast as far as we know).

lol. The article says no hard drive to be bundled with PS3.

The XBOX360 comes bundled with a 20gb hard drive.

clarified my original post.

|MaguS|
06-02-05, 12:23 PM
The article was from a single person who did not say yes or no but rather a dout. Remember when Ken Kutaragi (at that time president of Sony) went out about the defects in the PSP and that people would have to "deal" with it... oh what happened next, Sony said they would fix/replace any defective units...

Just because one member of Sony says something doesn't mean the entire company agrees...

LiquidX
06-02-05, 12:39 PM
I think Sony will sell it separately as a way bring down cost and even make a little by over priceing it. But then again there trying to out do MS in everything so I wouldnt be surprised if it shipped with a 40GB HD.

evilchris
06-02-05, 02:48 PM
The article was from a single person who did not say yes or no but rather a dout. Remember when Ken Kutaragi (at that time president of Sony) went out about the defects in the PSP and that people would have to "deal" with it... oh what happened next, Sony said they would fix/replace any defective units...

Just because one member of Sony says something doesn't mean the entire company agrees...

What about when Kutaragi said the Emotion Engine would obsolete the home PC, and simulate real human emotions?

Magus, honestly, why are you lapping all this **** up? Just wait for release man =)

Toss3
06-02-05, 04:18 PM
What about when Kutaragi said the Emotion Engine would obsolete the home PC, and simulate real human emotions?

Magus, honestly, why are you lapping all this **** up? Just wait for release man =)
and you steeda don't buy Microsoft's hype? I've read everything you've said about the ps3, and I have to confess that you've gotten me to ignore all the hype surrounding the ps3 ( and the xbox360 as well). But why do you all continue to fight for "your" console? I mean what have sony or microsoft ever done for you, other than made you buy their product(which they've hyped and never lived up to?)?... Let's just all wait for both of the consoles to be released first before the fist-fights start, ok?

evilchris
06-02-05, 04:39 PM
The only console I currently like is Xbox 1. I honestly haven't paid much attention to the X360 yet other than what Ruined has posted...

Microsoft hasn't said anything utterly lame like "phenomena inside the computer" or "age SD into HD" to get me going on them. =)

NAZCA M12
06-02-05, 04:52 PM
So, the "we aim to sell 1 billion units" sounds valid? Ok then :udawg:

evilchris
06-02-05, 04:54 PM
Yeah that's gay, but it's not about the console, it's just sales PR which I don't care about.

OWA
06-02-05, 06:29 PM
It seems like if they want the PS3 to be a media center type device that they should provide a fairly large hard drive.

evilchris
06-02-05, 07:09 PM
It must have one or how can the claims make any sense.

ENU291
06-02-05, 07:27 PM
Lets face the facts. With Sony including some new and most likely very expensive hardware in the PS3 they have to find a way to cut cost anyway they can. By offering a hard drive for the PS3 as an option they can shave as much as $100-$200 off the price of the PS3. I believe that Microsoft will price the Xbox360 at a very aggressive price (I think I heard $299 at launch) so Sony has to keep the PS3's price as low as possible. My best guess is $399 for the PS3 with no hard drive and only one controller and $549 or $599 for some kind of bundle with 2 controllers, memory card and the hard drive option.

npras42
06-02-05, 07:51 PM
Why exactly would the hard drive cost $100-200??? I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just asking where you got that value from. A 20GB Hard Disk costs probably less than 30 in UK (which is about $50) and thats retail. Surely a HDD would only cost them about an extra $30 to include.

Of course they could use a small HDD like the ones found in iPods but tbh I dont think many would be bothered about it being that portable. I mean if you can take it out, that would be enough.

LiquidX
06-02-05, 08:57 PM
Why exactly would the hard drive cost $100-200??? I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just asking where you got that value from. A 20GB Hard Disk costs probably less than 30 in UK (which is about $50) and thats retail. Surely a HDD would only cost them about an extra $30 to include.

Of course they could use a small HDD like the ones found in iPods but tbh I dont think many would be bothered about it being that portable. I mean if you can take it out, that would be enough.

Almost every console sold takes a loss. Yes the HD may cost $30 but multiply that by 5 million and the loss is huge and you have to remember there already taking a loss.

six_storm
06-03-05, 12:00 AM
The hard drive on a console is VERY important IMO. If Sony prices the PS3 very high ($400 and up), they better have a HDD bundled with the mix. That would be ridiculous if they decided for some reason not to. I've found my XBOX with a HDD has come in handy for content download and music soundtracks.

Vagrant Zero
06-03-05, 12:20 AM
The only console I currently like is Xbox 1. I honestly haven't paid much attention to the X360 yet other than what Ruined has posted...

Microsoft hasn't said anything utterly lame like "phenomena inside the computer" or "age SD into HD" to get me going on them. =)

They paid people to clap for them at E3 and that doesn't get you going? Selective self-rightousness.

evilchris
06-03-05, 12:37 AM
Like I have said over and over again. I don't CARE what all the PR weenies do such as talking about sales numbers they dream of or paying people to clap. That has no effect on the console.

I CARE about pure BS about the hardware. Please quote me some concerning the X360.

ENU291
06-03-05, 11:13 AM
Why exactly would the hard drive cost $100-200??? I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just asking where you got that value from. A 20GB Hard Disk costs probably less than 30 in UK (which is about $50) and thats retail. Surely a HDD would only cost them about an extra $30 to include.

Of course they could use a small HDD like the ones found in iPods but tbh I dont think many would be bothered about it being that portable. I mean if you can take it out, that would be enough.

According to what I have read the PS3 will be using 2.5-inch hard drives. They are also going to be using some caddy type device that will allow the end user to easily remove the drive from one PS3 and connect it to another (similar to the Xbox360 design). The Xbox360 will include a 20GB drive. Knowing Sony their hard drive option will be of higher capacity. Even in bulk I don't see the hard drive option costing Sony $30 each, I believe it will be closer to $60 each. When all is said and done (manufacturing, packaging, shipping and handling) the drive probably sell for at least $100 or more.