Gamecube2 and playstation3 for 2005?

[Nv40]

nice!

very interesting info about the incoming consoles..
seems like Gamecube2 and playstation3 are
2 years from here.




December 13, 2002 - Bloomberg is reporting that Nintendo is planning to collaborate with electronics giant NEC on the creation of the GameCube's next-generation hardware successor. The home console, which sources have indicated could debut in 2005 against Sony's PlayStation 3, is still without an official title or codename.
NEC previously supplied the graphics chip for Sega's Dreamcast and Nintendo's GameCube, and has recently invested 40 billion yen into the creation of a new production factory in Kumamoto, Japan.

NEC is working on developing a system LSI that would serve as the core of the new game console.

The continued Nintendo alliance with NEC comes in response to Sony and Toshiba's stronghold on the videogame market, according to Bloomberg.

We will have more on this news soon. Stay tuned.



http://cube.ign.com/articles/380/380218p1.html

as we know IBM is already working with Sony in the
playstation3 with the super tera fast quantum processor.

and seems like NEC will be working with Nitendo for the next gamecube2..

what i find really interesting too ,is that Microsoft told
their XBOX2 will come much before the Playstation3.
so my estimates is that we will see the XBOX2
somewhere 2004 or very early in 2005 .
i hope to see again Nvidia there ,with something
like an Nv40/Nv50 in the Xbox2 . :)

[StealthHawk]

if one thing is for certain, Nintendo is always late with new consoles. either they always find unforseen difficulties, or they just milk the previous generation dry. i don't think Nintendo has ever gone less than 5 years without releasing a new console. personally i think it's ludicrous to even suggest releasing a new console after only 3 years. not gonna happen. PS2 has already been out for awhile, so it might be coming around 2005 or 2006.

[Grechie]

id like to see a gc2 lol

[The Baron]

2007 at the earliest.

As previously said, yeah, Nintendo milks their generations for all their worth, and consoles always take forever to come out.

[a4164]

NES US release 1985 , 6 years later:

SNES US release 1991 , 5 years later:

N64 US release 1996 , 5 years later:

GameCube US release 2001


Its kind of a defacto standard that a successful console will have a 5 year life cycle or greater.


PlayStation US release 1995, 5 years later:

PlayStation2 US release 2000

PlayStation Japan release 1994 , 6 years later:

PlayStation2 Japan release 2000



For the future, most likely Sony will launch PS3 in 2005. MS hopes to get Xbox2 out either the same time as PS3 or preferably before. Nintendo will probably be 2006 assuming the 5 year life cycle holds true. 2007? Well, its Nintendo, if they felt they needed to, they probably would.

[Uttar]

I don't think MS is too interested in getting the XBox 2 out ASAP.
Something that really wouldn't surprise me is if MS decided to make XBox 1 games compatible on the XBox 2.

Why? Well, they're losing so god darn much money on each XBox that their only hope is to gain money by selling games and lotsa games. So, in case they don't get sufficent profit with their XBox 1 in the end, they'd decide to put XBox 1 games in bundles and make those bundles, but NOT the original games, work on the XBox 2.

In other words, if you don't want to keep the World's Biggest Console in case you want to return to your XBox 1 classics, you'd have to buy a XBox 2 and those bundles. Evyl, eh? :D


Uttar

[The Baron]

Xbox 1 games will be compatible--it's just a PC, for Chrissakes.

Xbox2 could be out in 2004-2005. Wouldn't surprise me in the least, since after all, it IS just a PC... :p

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Uttar
I don't think MS is too interested in getting the XBox 2 out ASAP.
Something that really wouldn't surprise me is if MS decided to make XBox 1 games compatible on the XBox 2.

Why? Well, they're losing so god darn much money on each XBox that their only hope is to gain money by selling games and lotsa games. So, in case they don't get sufficent profit with their XBox 1 in the end, they'd decide to put XBox 1 games in bundles and make those bundles, but NOT the original games, work on the XBox 2.

In other words, if you don't want to keep the World's Biggest Console in case you want to return to your XBox 1 classics, you'd have to buy a XBox 2 and those bundles. Evyl, eh? :D


Uttar

this is where you're wrong Uttar. XBox will never be profitable, in its lifetime at least. i don't know what the current estimates are, but uh, that doesn't matter. Microsoft doesn't need Xbox to be profitable. as long as they capture the market, even if they are losing money, they win. and that is their goal. wheras obviously a company like Nintendo depends on its cash flow coming from consoles/games, MS could and maybe even should release XBox2 to compete with PS3.

MS has many "project sectors" for lack of a better term. only 2 of those are profitable. Operating Systems and Office Software. everything else operates at a loss(MSN, et al) but the losses are easily absorbed by the monster profits of Windows and Office.

[borntosoul]

the battle of the white goods computers is on,ms will most definately release the xbox2 before the ps3 to steal more market share ,the reason is the same as what i said over at beyond 3d forums but no one agreed as usual :) name brand game consol will evolve into something a bit more and ms dont want be be non existant in that market

[StealthHawk]

the hardware itself doesn't matter. it's all about software. and it seems like PS2 wins here with the largest developer support. i'd say GC is ahead of XBox in this regard as well. unless MS can get more Japanese developer support XBox 2 will lose to PS3, just like how MS lost to Sony in this round.

[borntosoul]

they dont need to beat sony (and they wont next time round either )all they want is more market share ,and yes games do make a difference ,i wouldve bought the xbox if it had fv4 and grand tourismo:)

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by borntosoul
they dont need to beat sony (and they wont next time round either )all they want is more market share ,and yes games do make a difference ,i wouldve bought the xbox if it had fv4 and grand tourismo:)

fine, let me rephrase.

unless MS can get more Japanese developer support XBox 2 "wont' gain market share over" PS3 :D

[borntosoul]

i agree with what u r saying but there is more to it than that :)i cant see anyone really taking much market share away from sony in that area for a very long time but i could be wrong ,xbox live maybe might help

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by borntosoul
i agree with what u r saying but there is more to it than that :)i cant see anyone really taking much market share away from sony in that area for a very long time but i could be wrong ,xbox live maybe might help

what more is there? i think we are having communication problems. i agree, MS does not need or want to have absolute control over the console market. well, they probably want to, but that is not going to realistically happen.

their aim is to capture market share. but what i'm saying is that the best hardware in the world alone will not accomplish that. they need the software titles that will make people want to buy their system. and as far as console titles go, most people prefer the stuff that comes outta Japan. and Microsoft just doesn't have that support yet.

and without that support, i don't think MS will fare much better in round 2.

[borntosoul]

the more is (maybe),xbox live and getting released first before the ps3 and obviously what we agreed upon in the first place

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by borntosoul
the more is (maybe),xbox live and getting released first before the ps3 and obviously what we agreed upon in the first place

ok, this might be a stupid question. but aren't there plans for a PS2 modem and GC modem to allow for a "XBox Live" experience on each respective system?

i mean...yeah. FFXI is a MMORPG, so PS2 has to have some sort of online capability. i just am not understanding why XBox Live gives MS a definitive advantage.

[ASCI Blue]

There is a plan for PS2 network/internet ability. Syphon Filter Online backs this too. Nice looking game too, but some of it has to be redone so it'll fit onto the DVD. :P

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
ok, this might be a stupid question. but aren't there plans for a PS2 modem and GC modem to allow for a "XBox Live" experience on each respective system?

i mean...yeah. FFXI is a MMORPG, so PS2 has to have some sort of online capability. i just am not understanding why XBox Live gives MS a definitive advantage.

I know for sure the modem/network adapter for the PS2 is out, We've had some customers come in exchange them already.

MS could have an advantage because gamers would just have to pay for one subscription and get access to all the games. With the PS2, each game company is responsible for servers, etc. If you play 4 games online, you'd have to pay 4 different subscriptions.

Toms hardware has a review of xbox live http://www.tomshardware.com/game/20021214/index.html

[StealthHawk]

ok, thanks for clarifying that Lezmaka.

organization definitely gives MS an advantage. the reason i'm somewhat clueless about this is that i don't own any current gen consoles. after buying that worthless N64 i didn't feel like banking on Nintendo again, and PS2 just had no allure for me.

oh well, i have friends with the systems, so i can play all their games, works out perfectly :D

[borntosoul]

have to see if sony has the resorses to keep ahead of ms ,cause if they can do then i dont see anyone stopping them

[ASCI Blue]

I've fotgotten where I read it but MS looses money on all but 2 things. 1. Windows 2. Office. Since they currently are the standard and people/corporations are practically forced into buying their software (ignorance to other OS's, time to change, etc) so MS effectivly has a cash cow that never really runs dry. They can afford to lose money on everything because they make it back with Winders and Office.

Would MS make Xbox2 compatible with Xbox, they'd be stupid not to but if the technology changes significantly by 2005(?) they might not. Then again Sony's tech from PS1 to PS2 changed quite a bit and they kept compatibility so I'd wager if their people are smart they will, but I'm not holding my breath.

[The Baron]

The above is right (from their SEC filings):

Windows--89% profit per copy sold
Office--74% profit per copy sold

:mad:

[Richthofen]

xbox2 will be compatible that is for sure.
And that's why i think they will stick with Nvidia.
And because the PC is technically more advanced than the console makes it pretty easy for MS to decide when they need to launch a new console.
The hardware for it maybe almost done already because X-Box consists of PC parts.
It has the flexibility of pc hardware and the advantage that every console has which is that there is only very few hardware inside.
So not the normal compatibility problems desktop users face.

And i agree concerning profits. They don't need to make profits.
The entertainment group lost 174 mio last quater.
Compared to 2 billion profits ms has every quater thatare peanuts.
The goal in the next 1 to 2 years is to gain market share and to get developers on their side and that is what they do right now.

Every percent of market share MS earns is a percent Sony and Nintendo are loosing because they are the ones who have been in this business for years now.
Since the last price cut xbox is ahead of gamecube concerning hardware and games sold all over the world and MS continues to buy game developing companies.
And the only reason they allowed CG is xbox.
I don't think MS would allow CG so that Nvidia can hype its NV3x pc line series.
Where would be MS advantage? They have their own HSL.
I think it is because developers now can use CG and create things for the PC and xbox.
xbox is their advantage. They know that Nvidia has very good realtionships with developers.
This whole CG story and of course their goal to keep Xbox2 compatible to xbox1 makes me believe that Nvidia will be on board again with xbox2.

This whole xbox thing is a long term investment and i am pretty sure in the end MS will win in this sector that is for sure. It is just a matter of time and a question when that will be.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Richthofen
Every percent of market share MS earns is a percent Sony and Nintendo are loosing because they are the ones who have been in this business for years now.
Since the last price cut xbox is ahead of gamecube concerning hardware and games sold all over the world and MS continues to buy game developing companies.

This whole xbox thing is a long term investment and i am pretty sure in the end MS will win in this sector that is for sure. It is just a matter of time and a question when that will be.

you do realize that many people own more than one console, and just because they buy an Xbox it doesn't mean they won't buy a GC or PS2 later, or even that they already own them?

i don't see the next generation really changing this. i'm sure just as many people will own multiple consoles the next time around as they do now.