7600 is 12 pipe, 7200 is 8 pipes

[serenity]

http://vr-zone.com/?i=2325&s=1

:cool:

[SH64]

Sounds about right to me .. mainstream cards usually have half the pipes of the high-ends.
BTW the speculation was on the mobile GPUs.

[MUYA]

They are mobile GPU info.
VR-Zone has gotten some interesting news tidbits that the notebook makers are currently sampling the G70 Mobile GPU

[anzak]

7200 ~= FX 5200? Damn, computer graphics technology have came a long ways in the past 3 years.

[serenity]

Yes but if you look at the Geforce 6 series and the Go Family:

6600GT, 6600, 6600Go all are 8 pipes
6200TC, 6200, 6200Go all are 4 pipes

Following that logic, 7600GT, 7600 should be 12 pipes and 7200TC, 7200 should be 8 pipes.

[msxyz]

I hope to see them also coming to AGP.

[zakelwe]

If G70 is not much more than extra 8 pipes then having a 16, 12 or 8 pipe version would not seem to be much different than having some flavour of 6800 ( asuming all G70 varients are 256 bit bus ). So I assume the ither improvements in shaders etc etc means a 16 pipe G70 is quite a lot better than a 6800GT or Ultra. It's not as if the G70 is a lot faster MHz wise and it looks as if the memory speed is going to be similar, so unless the architecture if beefed up it might be that the lower pipelined G70's will replace 6800's rather than be another layer on top.

You have to think the current 6800 series 130nm prcoess at IBM are more expensive than the cheap 110 nm process at TSMC and so maybe a replacment series is what is going to happen.

Regards

Andy

[Fotis]

Me wants a 7600GT with:
12pipes
600MHz core(90nm)
256bit bus 1000MHz memory
SLI
200$

Am I asking for much? :D

[msxyz]

Me wants a 7600GT with:
12pipes
600MHz core(90nm)
256bit bus 1000MHz memory
SLI
200$

Am I asking for much? :DProbably yes, even a 110u part at 450-500Mhz would be fine :cool:

[Fotis]

Probably yes, even a 110u part at 450-500Mhz would be fine :cool:
It makes sense to me that nvidia will be going 90nm for their mainstream cards since they are Q3-Q4 products aka 6600GT.
On the other hand a 110nm 550MHz 12pipe card will be as fast as a 6800U not counting any arch improvements but I quess nvidia will want to lower lost production by using a smaller process.

[Red_Shift]

It seems 9800XT will be a value card then, it was the best graphics card before April 2004 so the best is going into value in less than 2 years :eek: that's pretty fast!

[Fotis]

It seems 9800XT will be a value card then, it was the best graphics card before April 2004 so the best is going into value in less than 2 years :eek: that's pretty fast!
We have competition to thank for! :)

[zakelwe]

Why would the 7600 be on the expensive 90nm process at 600MHz ? Would it not be more likely to be on the much cheaper 110nm process ? Say 450MHz and 12 pipes as mentioned above?

Regards

Andy

[Fotis]

Why would the 7600 be on the expensive 90nm process at 600MHz ? Would it not be more likely to be on the much cheaper 110nm process ? Say 450MHz and 12 pipes as mentioned above?

Regards

Andy
Well you can make more chips on 90nm than 110nm so it might be more cost effective but I would like an experts opinion on that.

[Bluekkis]

Why would the 7600 be on the expensive 90nm process at 600MHz ? Would it not be more likely to be on the much cheaper 110nm process ? Say 450MHz and 12 pipes as mentioned above?

Regards

Andy

Smaller process == smaller die == more from one wafer == cheaper/die

Also using newer 90nm on smaller and less demanding mainstream and value chips upps yelds and gives good opportunity to iron biggest problems out of manufacturing process and making it ready for more complex and demanding chips. ATI did this quite long (9800 was 130nm, 9600 on 110nm), also nvidia with 6x00 series.

[msxyz]

The current 110u process allow 6600GT cards to run at over 550 MHz and cooler than the actual 0.13um. It remain to be seen how TMSC will cope with leakage.

Also with the demand of wafers for the future consoles, I don't think TMSC has the capacity to deliver much more chips at 90um unless the GeForce 7200-7600 are H1/06 products.

[rohit]

glad to knw that this time, the mid-end chips this time, wont |2@P3 the hi-end 6800GT and 68U like the 6600GT did to 5950U and 9800XT.....(that was sad what happend to 5950 and 9800xt)

[Fotis]

glad to knw that this time, the mid-end chips this time, wont |2@P3 the hi-end 6800GT and 68U like the 6600GT did to 5950U and 9800XT.....(that was sad what happend to 5950 and 9800xt)
So you want 7600 to be slower than 6800GT because you don't want your card to be devalued right?!
I hope you don't get your wish. :nutkick:

[rohit]

So you want 7600 to be slower than 6800GT because you don't want your card to be devalued right?!
I hope you don't get your wish.
Well 12piped 7600xx vs 16piped 6800GT..

7600 wins..LOLx Keep WISHING..

I bet the G70 vanilla wont perform 2x the perfromance of 68GT.

[Fotis]

Well 12piped 7600xx vs 16piped 6800GT..

7600 wins..LOLx Keep WISHING..

Α 550ΜΗz 12pipe 7600 would be equal to a 6800U.6600GT is faster than 5950U or 9800XT so I fail to see why my wish isn't probable ;)

I just hope they go 256bit bus for their mid range.

[Red_Shift]

Yes Fotis is right and 7600 is a more advanced gpu so it has more features and more efficiency per clock.

[msxyz]

(...)I just hope they go 256bit bus for their mid range.
*

We had the 5900XT for 190$... But those were difficult times for NV

[rohit]

Α 550ΜΗz 12pipe 7600 would be equal to a 6800U.6600GT is faster than 5950U or 9800XT so I fail to see why my wish isn't probable

I just hope they go 256bit bus for their mid range.

We shall see.

[anzak]

Α 550ΜΗz 12pipe 7600 would be equal to a 6800U.6600GT is faster than 5950U or 9800XT so I fail to see why my wish isn't probable ;)

I just hope they go 256bit bus for their mid range.

It depends. Look at the X800XT PE, it has 16 pipelines and runs at 520mhz core and us just a tad faster than a 6800 Ultra. It all depends on how efficient per clock the 7600 is. Im thinking its gonna fall in line with the 6800GT, but be beat out by the Ultra. That is if these specs are correct.

[ChrisRay]

Memory speed/memory size should also be taken into account. As well as bandwith and memory bus.