Gore Won't Run in 2004, Says Adviser

[sbp]

WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Al Gore, who came agonizingly close to winning the presidency two years ago, has decided not to run for the White House again in 2004, a senior Gore adviser said Sunday.

Gore likely would have been the early Democratic front-runner and his sudden withdrawal opens up the race to other challengers to an expected re-election bid by President Bush.

Among Democrats, Vermont Gov. Howard Dean already is running and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry has formed an exploratory committee. Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, Gore's running mate in 2000, has said he is interested in running

Also considering a run are Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt and North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.

Gore planned to announce his decision Sunday night on CBS "60 Minutes," the adviser said.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=694&e=1&u=/ap/20021215/ap_on_el_pr/gore_democrats

[LORD-eX-Bu]

too bad, it would have been funner the second time around.:D

[PsychoSy]

It sure would as Gore whipped Dubyah the first time! :p ;)

Actually, I'm glad Gore's not jumping in.
I think Kerry is the choice most Democrats want. :)

[LORD-eX-Bu]

no way man, you're totally wrong! Al Sharpton all the way! If Rev Jesse Jackson we're goin' in I'd back him up too. :D :p

[UDawg]

Originally posted by PsychoSy
It sure would as Gore whipped Dubyah the first time! :p ;)

Actually, I'm glad Gore's not jumping in.
I think Kerry is the choice most Democrats want. :)


How did Algore whip Dubyah? I don't see him in the White House. I guess there is this little thing call the Electoral College people don't understand. Again the popular vote is only tallied as information not as a means to deciding the winner of the election. It is not now nore has it ever been valid to determin the winner.

[PsychoSy]

Originally posted by UDawg71:
How did Algore whip Dubyah?

Easy - in a nation of 200 million voters, 154 Million of them DID NOT vote for Bush.

I don't see him in the White House.

Because, with the help of Catherine Harris (who changed Florida election laws on the fly), his brother FL Gov. Jeb Bush, his news mogul second cousin John Ellis (Fox News), the racist anti-semite Jim Baker (he can't stand Jews, Mexicans, or Blacks because they don't vote Republican), and the U.S. Supreme Court (where Antonin Scalia sat on the bench while his own son's law firm represented the GOP - a "conflict of interest" that wouldn't happen if my dad were a judge and I were a lawyer), the thief from Texas who never worked a day in his life and every "job" he's ever had was handed to him by his father, now sits at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue just waiting to bomb nation after nation of brown people, obliterate the U.S. Treasury, eradite the economy back into the stone age, rob the citizens of their civil liberties, and rape that nice old lady on Long Island that carries a torch...Vaseline not included!

If you don't believe me, let's ask the MAN himself. Hey Dubyah - How did you win that election?

"It's imazing I won. I was running against peace, prosperity, and incumbency." -- George W. Bush, June 14th 2001 (while speaking to Swedish PM Goran Perrson, unaware that LIVE TV cameras were still rolling)

Oh, and speaking of Fox News, here's some truth they'll NEVER say to their viewers. Out of the all the milatary ballots that were included in the certified count...

* 366 had no evidence of being cast on or before Election Day.

* 183 were postmarked in the USA.

* 96 lacked appropriate witness information.

* 169 came from unregistered voters, had evelopes that weren't signed properly, or came from people who hadn't requested a ballot (which, according to my buddy here that's sitting on the couch rolling a smoke who also served a few months in the U.S. Navy, is typical milatary proceedure and also appears on their test cirriculum).

* 5 ballots came AFTER the Nov. 17th deadline.

* 19 military voters voted on TWO ballots and both had been counted.

All of these ballots violated Florida law yet there were all counted.

I also question why Kathering Harris changed the law on the fly, but unfortunately we'll never know since the computer records that showed her planned memos that were intended to be send to her canvassing boards had been mysterious erased -- a violation of Florida's Sunshine Laws -- and she didn't turn her harddrives over for inspection until her own computer consultant "looked them over".

Oh, and on Election Night, Sandra Day O'Connor was heard lamenting at a party in Georgetown that she "couldn't hold out another four to eight years" and that George W. Bush was her " only hope for securing a contented retirement in back in Arizona".

Then there was this from the Miami-News Herald...

"Bush's lead would have vanished if the recounts had been conducted under the severely restrictive standards that some Republicans advocated ...The Review board found that the result would have been different if every canvassing board in every county had examined every undervote...Under the most inclusive standard , Gore would've won by 393 votes...On ballots that {suggested} a fault with either the machine or the voter's ability to use it...Gore would have won by 299 votes."

Once again, Fox News isn't interested in reporting these truths.

I guess there is this little thing call the Electoral College people don't understand. Again the popular vote is only tallied as information not as a means to deciding the winner of the election. It is not now nor has it ever been valid to determin the winner.

The Electoral College is supposed to grant their electoral votes based on the "will of the people" - to the candiate that wins the popular vote - and not on their own whims. Gore won the popular vote yet the Electoral College, by the ruling of the corrupt U.S. Supreme Court Justices (all of them friends of Poppy Bush), was forced to give the electoral votes to Bush. Besides, if the Electral College gets to decide who wins and who losses... what IS the point of the PUBLIC voting?!?

The answer to that is simple: To simply feed this BS illusion that the American people are still in charge. To perpetuate the big lie that this nation is a democracy and that citizens actually matter. But on election night in 2000, the truth rang clear - the USA operate under a FAKE democracy.

The Electoral College is an antiquated system that from the OLD DAYS where Pennsylvanian/Virginian freaks with wigs that owned slaves thought the rest of people beneath them couldn't think for themselves and thus can't be trusted with SOOOOOO much freedom and stroke over the course of this nation. It's a slap in the face to America today as most of the citizens here are AT LEAST partially educated and don't need other people thinking for them. GET RID OF THIS ELECTORAL COLLEGE GARBAGE -- NOW! I suggest getting rid of it with BULLETS since BALLOTS obviously don't count.

My favorite moment of the election process took place on Jan. 20th, 2001. Interestingly enough, this day is also author Micheal Moore's favorite moment and I'll allow him to explain that day to everyone...

On Jan. 20th, 2001, George W. Bush, positioned with his junta on the Capitol steps, stood in front of Rehnquist and took the oath that PRESIDENTS take at their inaugurations. A cold steady rain fell over DC throughout the day. Dark clouds obscured the sun, and the parade route, usually jammed with tens of thousands of citizens all the way to the White House, was eerily bare.

Except for 20,000 protesters who jeered Bush every inch of the way. Holding signs denouncing Bush for stealing the election, these rain-soaked demonstrators were the conscience of the nation. Bush's limo couldn't avoid them. Instead of cheering crowds of supporters, he was greeted by good people moved to remind this illegitimate ruler that he didn't win the election -- and that the people would never forget.

At the traditional point where Presidents since Carter have stopped their limos and emerged to walk the last four blocks (as a reminder that we're a nation ruled not by kings but by, uh, equals), Bush's triple-armored black car with its tinted windows -- favored by mobsters everywhere -- came to an abrupt halt. The crowd grew louder -- "HAIL TO THE THIEF!". You could see the SS and Bush's advisors huddling in the freezing rain, trying to figure out what to do. If Bush got out and walked, he would be booed, shouted down, and pelted with eggs the rest of the way. The limo sat there for about 5 minutes. Rain poured, eggs and tomatoes hit the car, daring Bush to step out and face them.

Suddenly, the limo bolted and tore down the street. The decision was made -- hit the gas and get past this rabble ASAP. The SS agents running beside the limo got left behind, the car's tires splashing dirty rain onto the men who were there to protect its passenger. It was the finest thing I've ever witnessed in Washington D.C. -- a pretender to the American throne forced to turn tail and run from thousands of American citizens armed only with the Truth...and the ingredients of a decent omelet."

:D :p

[LORD-eX-Bu]

I like Gore, while I am conservative, you know, the man is a good man. He is honest, and even tho I might not agree with him on some things, he has experience. And he is arrogant, but he knows whats too much, he would have made a great leader.:eek: :D

EDIT: Yes, I think he was cheated in 2000 elections, but I am not one to complain, Bush was the guy I went for. Too bad, Gore or Mcain would have been better.:D ;) :eek:

[PsychoSy]

Hey, man! We never know - Gore could be using history to his advantage. By dropping out for 2004, a much different and publically acceptable Al Gore might be gearing up for a roller coaster of a ride in 2008!

It worked for Nixon! :p

And hell yeah - I would've settled for McCain! He's a great man but he sure scares the hell out of Don King (which is good because Don King better be afraid of McCain). :D

[LORD-eX-Bu]

hehe, yeah. Gore has been toning it down somewhat lately. Either way, if it were Bush Vs. Gore again, It'd be a harder decision for me.:D

EDIT: Sucks, cuz I won't be around for 2004 elections. So I guess I'll have to wait till 2008 to vote again.;) :D

EDIT: Actually, I wouldn't really vote for Bush again. While he did a good job after Sept. 11 he has gone back to old ways.

[stncttr908]

Can't people stop whining about the 2000 election already? Maybe if Gore won his home state it would be different.

[PsychoSy]

Originally posted by stncttr908
Can't people stop whining about the 2000 election already?

Exactly! We wouldn't want our leaders to be reminded of that injustice constantly, now would we? It might give them a conscience. It might make them think twice about cashing in on their license to cheat and swindle and we don't like that. We hate having a conscience - it's the official disease of Warshington, Dee-Cee!!

Afterall, that's no longer the gospel of America, is it? Oh no! We moved onward! We've gotta NEW motto now! We went from "a nation ruled not by kings but by equals" to "go on out and buy yourself a brand new SUV, some jewelry, and an X-Box...otherwise the F'n Terrorists' win!"

Nice logic there, eh? ;)

At the rate we're going, we might just raise the intelligence level of the human gene pool. :rolleyes:

[vampireuk]

*turns into a carlin fan*

yeah!!! w00t!! hell yeah!:D

[jnd3]

Here's an amusing take on the topic:

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/000531.html#000531

(And while you're at it, spend some time perusing the rest of the site...)

Cheers,
JND

[stncttr908]

Well now, you seem to have completely ignored my "winning his home state" comment and decided to insult me and my intelligence. Sure, he may have won the popular vote, but that's not how we determine the president and never was.

Now, if he ran in 2004, Gore would win easily.

[Tactics]

I could never vote for him after "I heard him say he invented the internet" IMO he's a big puss - all the woman will love him. He just seems like a weak man.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by Tactics
I could never vote for him after "I heard him say he invented the internet" IMO he's a big puss - all the woman will love him. He just seems like a weak man.

He never said that, thats what some fellow conservatives spun. But as a matter of fact, Al Gore did help further the internet and technologies alot through sun microsystems. Without his help, the internet would not be where it is today.;)

[Tactics]

Seriously?? then my bad. When I heard that I was like c'mon, what a ploy this is to win over some more votes. :)

I guess it doesn't matter to me - I don't vote or follow politics. :) I swear it takes 5-10 years off everyones life because of the stress people cause themselves debating over it. :D

[jnd3]

And now, another episode of "Tall Tales with Al Gore"...

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

So while he didn't claim to have *invented* the Internet, he sure seemed to puff up his own importance regarding said Internet...

That said, though, it's a bit of a shame that he's not running. He would have been easy to beat.

Personally, though, I'm against anyone who supports a tax scheme in which people who make more than $30,000/year shoulder a whopping 96% of the income tax burden for the nation.

http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-soi/00in01rt.xls

Cheers,
JND

[Feanor]

And John Edwards is planning on running? At first when I saw the CNN poll where over 2,000 people and growing were in favor of him, I thought his name was thrown in as some sort of joke or something. I can just see it now "I got a preminition from that guy's deceased grandmother that I should veto that bill" ROFL

If it ever came to that (at least he didn't get a polarity of votes in the poll) Bush vs. Edwards, OMG...speak about making the elections tough. I don't intend to vote for Bush after many of these big brother programs such as Total Information Awareness his administration is developing...but John Edwards? That would be seriously messed up. No way in hell could I in good conscience vote that guy into office because he's some popular host or a rather boring TV show, that I couldn't stand to watch, in which he claims to be getting messages from the other side. And whether he is, or is just a charlatan is debateble

[PsychoSy]

Originally posted by stncttr908
Well now, you seem to have completely ignored my "winning his home state" comment and decided to insult me and my intelligence.

I didn't insult you personally nor your intelligence - I insulted your logic. Trust me, if I intend on insulting people, I'd come right out full bore and sarcasm takes a backseat to expletives (just like Carlin) but not here. Maybe at my own website, but not here.

Now, to answer your question, winning home states don't mean a thing in my opinion. Why? There's 49 other states up for grabs, for crying out loud. Besides, if I were running for a high profile office and I lost my home state, there's an easy way to fix that problem - I'd move! On my way across the state line, I'd be ranting and raving, "You bunch of ingrates! If the guy you voted for screws everything up, you deserve it!!" :D :p

Now, if he ran in 2004, Gore would win easily.

I don't know about that - it's hard telling. I think that he'd win mainly because Bush just isn't 2 term material and Gore's trackrecord in public service is much better, and not necessarily because people really want to vote for him. I seriously believe Democrats want a different face yet expected Gore to run. Now that he bowwed out, it's taken many Democrats by what I'd call "pleasant surprize".

[UDawg]

Changed my mind about the post I had here since late last evening. It was too inflamitory. I'm just glad President Bush won. :D

[UDawg]

Ok, you guys want the real reason why Gore droped out?
It's because he when on a press orgy for the last 2 and a half weeks and no body listened to him. The press followed his every move his every word. He was on night after night and his poll numbers didn't move a bit. This last two weeks was a trial to see if he had a shot in 2 years. He and his staff determined that he would not win. Not because President Bush is unbeatable, no body is unbeatable but because Gore could not even move his base by going further to the left than his party is. Come on he hit Presiden Bush with both barrels and it didn't even make a dent in Gore's bases' numbers. Gore simply would not win in 2004. Now he might have a nice shot in 2008 we will see then.

[PsychoSy]

This is off topic but ironic nonetheless...

What I really find ironic about the GOP is that anytime they are about to get ahead, they have the uncanny ability to shoot themselves in the foot. Democrats usually just blow a few toes off, but the GOP winds up sawing one leg off at the kneecaps.

A few cases in point...

Eisenhower era - the McCarthy mess (republicans want to throw all of "commies" in jail, maybe we shouldn't trust them with government)

The Gingrich "revolution" of 1994 - well let's shut down the government to prove how responsible we are. :rolleyes:

2001 - For the first time in 50 years (and for about six months) the republicans control both houses of congress and the white house. Then Trent Lott pisses off Jeffords throwing control back to the democrats.

2002-3 Once again, Trent Lott within weeks of again becoming Senate Majority leader, at the start of what may appear to be a complete two-year cycle of Republican government, makes his racially insensitive remark.

Ready for a GOP nightmare scenario that COULD happen?

An ousted Trent Lott throws a temper tantrum and resigns the senate, his seat is appointed by the Democratic governor of Mississippi until the November 2004 elections. Placing the Senate in a evenly divided 50/50 balance of power with Vice President Cheney breaking ties, until John McCain, so angry with the new Republican Leader, Mitch McConnell (who can't stand McCain's campaign finance reform agenda) that he decides to join Jeffrods in the Democratic caucas, taking the Republicans once again to 49 seats in the Senate.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

All I'd have to say is... "HA-HA!". They screwwed up big time. Republicans haven't had a good day since the november elections. Do you watch The Factor too Psycho?:D

[demonized]

Did anyone watch Al Gore on SNL? He looked really cute holding the dog near his face.