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That's what I said and I can't see why people don't accept it
Its simple,
Because it didnt happen!
Lfctony
06-16-05, 01:26 PM
They pro'lly must have been O/C'd by SOME reviewer's just to get a general idea IF the 68UEE ever released, what will be its performance.
I remember some site O/Cing the x800XT to xt-pe oc speeds, to approximate its performance.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_ultra_extreme/page2.asp
The Extreme 6800 Ultra board looks just like the 6800 Ultra reference card we received a few weeks ago. The board sports the same dual-slot cooler that we found does an effective job of keeping the graphics core and memory cool thanks to its heat pipe cooling and large aluminum heatsink, although the fan itself is a little louder than ATI’s RADEON X800 PRO/XT and RADEON 9800 XT cards.
Notice how they differentiate between the 2 cards.
Oh god, it may have been a revision of the 68U board, which they might have taken as an ultra. there are several possibilities.
1] If this was the case, why didnt the Reputed Reviewers like Anandtec, Toms, Xbit etc Include YOUR 68UEE? days, even weeks after the UEE was announced.
2] Nv prints the GPU on the CHIP, like the 6800GT on a Gt card, 6800U on a Ultra card, etc.
Have they shown anything like that, have they taken of the HSF? to reveal ITS ACTUALLY A ENG. SAMPLE OF 6800UEE? or a 68U?
3] On the same link that you provided,
http://img120.echo.cx/img120/9519/uee5bt.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
it doesnt mention it of being a UEEE.
Rather it says, 6800-U-A1. That looks more like a REVISION of board, and NOT A UEEEEEE!
coldpower27
06-16-05, 01:46 PM
6800 Ultra Extreme was not an official SKU by Nvidia.
Yes it exists as it's analgous to the BFG 6800 Ultra OC edition. Some of Nvidia's partners did ship a few. I remember the eVGA 6800 Ultra Extreme Edition.
To me Ultra Extreme clocks are 450/1200.
But it's not an official Nvidia reference design card. That's the point rohit I think is trying to make. Yes the card is real, just not an offfical Nvidia SKU.
The only official nvidia 6800 line cards are:
6800 LE ???/700 (8X1/4)
6800 325/700 (12x1/5)
6800 GT 350/1000 (16x1/6)
6800 Ultra 400/1100 (16x1/6)
6800 Ultra Extreme was not an official SKU by Nvidia.
Yes it exists as it's analgous to the BFG 6800 Ultra OC edition. Some of Nvidia's partners did ship a few. I remember the eVGA 6800 Ultra Extreme Edition.
To me Ultra Extreme clocks are 450/1200.
But it's not an official Nvidia reference design card. That's the point rohit I think is trying to make. Yes the card is real, just not an offfical Nvidia SKU.
The only official nvidia 6800 line cards are:
6800 LE ???/700 (8X1/4)
6800 325/700 (12x1/5)
6800 GT 350/1000 (16x1/6)
6800 Ultra 400/1100 (16x1/6)
YES. thats what i am trying to say. i read many articles in which NV has denied in ALL OF 'EM of having a UEE card. its just a O/C'd 68U card offered by XFX eVGA and GW of which GW renamed it as official range of GS, and XFX and eVGA continued and STOPPED doing it Later.
Lfctony
06-16-05, 02:30 PM
For the final time, something I keep saying but you don't seem to get or simply choose to ignore. In every single post I made, I've specified that I know the card was not officially announced by Nvidia. The card was simply an overclocked 6800U that was handed out by Nvidia though and called an UE by Nvidia themselves, even if it never existed officially.
Oh BTW, this is from some of your "reputed" sites.
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2113
Ever since our initial X800 review went to press, we've been promising a look at NVIDIA's "6850", which actually turned out to be a 6800 Ultra Extreme. So, why did it take so long? NVIDIA's reference 6800 Ultra Extreme was essentially DOA: drivers wouldn't install on the card, though we could boot standard VGA. It's been a long road, but since then, we've gotten a hold of eVGA's 6800 Ultra Extreme Edition.
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20040504_170001.html
Santa Clara (CA) - Nvidia has added a high-end and a mid-range model to its GeForce 6800 family. The 6800 GT will we positioned in the mainstream market above the entry level 6800, the 6800 Ultra Extreme targets the enthusiast gamers group. Our benchmark results however reveal that the performance increase is not enough to outpace ATI's X800 on all levels.
As I keep saying, the card existed and was handed out by Nvidia but it was never announced.
1] its not a NV Ref card BY nv. Its an eVGA. ive repeatedly said in my posts, XFX and eVGA came up with these UEE thing.
2] Again, Its not a UEE chip, its one of those chips which have been pre-tested to OC to a Higher clock.
I get it that you get it, that UEE wasnt officially launched by NV..BUT
The card was simply an overclocked 6800U that was handed out by Nvidia though and called an UE by Nvidia themselves..
I repeat again, NV never chose to call these UE, Board manufacturers did. if nv had ever descided of that, we would be having 5 cards in the 6800 line-up by nv
Our digging and prodding suggests that NVIDIA doesn't charge any more or less for this chip to vendors (though they don't discuss at what price they will sell their chips), since it's a 6800 Ultra GPU, but only some vendors will be able to get their hands on them
if it would have been a SEPERATE chip, its cost would have been UPPED, like the XT-PE.
Companies such as Gainward and XFX are expected to demonstrate their solutions at E3, which will take place May 12 to 14 in Los Angeles. "Because of the headroom the GeForce 6800 Ultra has, our partners are able to make some of the necessary changes to increase the clock speeds," Nvidia said. Clock speeds increase to 450 MHz for the core and to 550 MHz for the memory
Lfctony
06-16-05, 03:59 PM
Power has just returned from an electricity failure for our whole area. While we seem to agree on some points and disagree on some others, I'm not in the mood for further discussion since I have to run tests on my PC all night making sure nothing was damaged. :( I have bigger fish to fry. We'll just have to agree on disagreeing. :)
Later,
Tony.
Vagrant Zero
06-17-05, 01:07 AM
I'm with Lf on this, Nvidia purposely let the UEE loose to steal ATIs thunder. It might have not have been officialy announced but don't tell me eVGA orchestrated the whole deal becuase you know...it's evga and ati that have that animosity going and not nvidia and ati.
And there are NVIDIA UEE Bioses out there...as in N-****ING-VIDIA, not EVGA, not BFG [they've got their own bioses]. And since the A0 revisions of the NV40s were running at 475 core I have no trouble believing that Nvidia would have thought about a 450 UEE.
I think, one important point for Nvidia is availability. If they used 1.2ns RAM, we would have the same problem as we had with the NV40-Series. 1.6ns was nearly unavailable when NV40 was presented to the world.
This time I really believe that we all can buy G70s a week after the presentation or so. But I don't have 600$ and I'm quite happy with my 6800GT, so I'll probably wait for G80(?) and R580.
Treason
06-17-05, 05:13 AM
I think, one important point for Nvidia is availability.
So very true. Just look at how much market share ATi lost when they couldn't produce a suitable number of X800 series video cards on their 30 day pre-orders. They're not going to market that method again and certainly nVidia won't.
Acid Rain
06-18-05, 10:57 PM
Dude...no matter what they changed fire up most of the games you're going to have same frames.
Example:
Matrix Online ---> all what matter is CPU and RAM
Half Life 2 --> mostly CPU and RAM
All the games based on UT2004 engine --> CPU and RAM
BF2 --> CPU and RAM.
What I'm saying is 24 Pipes etc is just wasting of resources...so do 16 pipes card.
Honestly, I think you are just trying to stir up controversy, and don't actually believe what you've stated. It's somewhere along the lines of "Well, I sold my new car, because it was overkill. I can get around just as fast if I walk."
In regards to the impending shortage of video memory bandwidth, I say it's time for a 512bit memory pipe. Remember what 256bit did for us?
Red_Shift
06-19-05, 02:06 PM
In regards to the impending shortage of video memory bandwidth, I say it's time for a 512bit memory pipe. Remember what 256bit did for us?
Are you insane? Well if everybody would pay 1000$+ for it they would. Die size would turn out incredibly large even with 90nm process, yields would be low, so it's not profitable. We might see 512bit when gpu's manufacturing process moves to 65nm.
Truth is 256bit still keeps up very well so 512bit isn't urgent.
walterman
06-21-05, 04:13 AM
I was thinking about this today:
1x7800GTX (600$ +-) vs 2x6800GT (2x300$ +-)
I hope to see very detailed reviews soon (today ? don't remember).
I was thinking about this today:
1x7800GTX (600$ +-) vs 2x6800GT (2x300$ +-)
I hope to see very detailed reviews soon (today ? don't remember).
Not in Aus
7800GTX = 850ish
6800GT = 700-850
:eek:
PSYCHODAD
06-21-05, 05:09 AM
I was thinking about this today:
1x7800GTX (600$ +-) vs 2x6800GT (2x300$ +-)
I hope to see very detailed reviews soon (today ? don't remember).
I'm thinking that 2 6800gt will outperform a single 7800gtx. Only guessing at this point in time though.
monkeydust
06-21-05, 05:40 AM
Well, I'm glad that the main thing the 7800's have over the 6800's is just more speed via shaders and pipes and not features. So, I don't feel like my computer is really that outdated already. :P
Demirug
06-21-05, 05:45 AM
Well, I'm glad that the main thing the 7800's have over the 6800's is just more speed via shaders and pipes and not features. So, I don't feel like my computer is really that outdated already. :P
The 7800 AA is better as the 6800 AA. But if you don't care about AA and only look at DirectX Caps and OpenGL Extension support you are right.
Not in Aus
7800GTX = 850ish
6800GT = 700-850
:eek:
Not quite, here in Australia a new 6800GT can be had now for less than $600.
walterman
06-21-05, 06:53 AM
The 7800 AA is better as the 6800 AA. But if you don't care about AA and only look at DirectX Caps and OpenGL Extension support you are right.
Interesting.
My goal is to play, in very high resolution with FSAA/AF, some games that aren't cpu/core speed limited actually, they just need a huge amount of video memory bandwidth. So, i was thinking that maybe 2x6800GT will be a wiser solution, due to, SLI really should double the video memory bandwidth in AFR mode, in this situation. Also, the price is very good for me atm for 6800GT here (300$), while, i believe that a single 7800GTX will cost around 600$ here.
So, since you said that 7800 AA is better than in 6800 series, my question is: will a single 7800GTX outperform 2x6800GT in very high resolution with FSAA/AF, like i described above ?
Not quite, here in Australia a new 6800GT can be had now for less than $600.
Sort of, a 6800GT AGP card is around 500ish, but most PCIe 6800gt cards are still quite expensive.
But I do know what you mean :)
ChrisRay
06-21-05, 08:40 AM
Interesting.
My goal is to play, in very high resolution with FSAA/AF, some games that aren't cpu/core speed limited actually, they just need a huge amount of video memory bandwidth. So, i was thinking that maybe 2x6800GT will be a wiser solution, due to, SLI really should double the video memory bandwidth in AFR mode, in this situation. Also, the price is very good for me atm for 6800GT here (300$), while, i believe that a single 7800GTX will cost around 600$ here.
So, since you said that 7800 AA is better than in 6800 series, my question is: will a single 7800GTX outperform 2x6800GT in very high resolution with FSAA/AF, like i described above ?
I imagine that will be very dependent. The fact is AFR really kind of does double the bandwith. Since it is essentially blending frames. Frames are only skipped on the second GPU if the CPU is the limiting factor. That being said. SFR mode will probably find many scenerios where 6800GTS will likely be slower than a 7800GTX. Dont forget the possible improvements made to ALUS. Fortunately the more games that are coming out. The more compatible they are becoming with AFR mode. Even Nvidias special RTT AFR modes.
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