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Richteralan
06-22-05, 11:32 AM
Firstly, let's look at NV40's device IDs:

NVIDIA_NV40.DEV_0040.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra"
NVIDIA_NV40.DEV_0041.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6800"
NVIDIA_NV40.DEV_0042.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6800 LE"
NVIDIA_NV40.DEV_0045.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT"

we can see that DEV_0040.1 is the 6800 Ultra, the DEV_0041.1 is the plain 6800.

Secondly, let's look at some NV35's device IDs:

NVIDIA_NV35.DEV_0330.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 Ultra"
NVIDIA_NV35.DEV_0331.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900"
NVIDIA_NV35.DEV_0332.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900XT"
NVIDIA_NV35.DEV_0333.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce FX 5950 Ultra"
NVIDIA_NV35.DEV_0334.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900ZT"

we can see that DEV_0330.1 is the 5900 Ultra, the DEV_0331.1 is the plain 5900.

Then, let's look at the 7800 GTX's device ID:

NVIDIA_G70.DEV_0091.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX"

It's DEV_0091.1
Following by 2 previous generation's device id order, this is the PLAIN version of G70 series! :afro2:

Ok, thanks for reading.....i'm heading off to my 6800GT.. :afro2:

GlowStick
06-22-05, 11:44 AM
Hm very intresting indeed!

However, with so many prodcuts, maybe G70 for now is just the high end. if you want something cheeper but willing to take less preofrmance why not a 6800GT still has alot of bang for your buck.

Pandora's Box
06-22-05, 11:50 AM
and whats stopping nvidia from changing this scheme?

tobywong
06-22-05, 11:58 AM
errr those are all just marketing names anyhow.

They could call it the Geforce 7800++++ Super ultra duper 4x ionized platinum edition with icing on top and it would have zero impact on the part itself. Judge the card by its real world performance not the sticker some marketing guy stuck on it.

MUYA
06-22-05, 12:43 PM
errr those are all just marketing names anyhow.

They could call it the Geforce 7800++++ Super ultra duper 4x ionized platinum edition with icing on top and it would have zero impact on the part itself. Judge the card by its real world performance not the sticker some marketing guy stuck on it.
err I think you are missing the point there and indications are that hmmm, the thread starter could be onto something but I cannot get concrete "rumour" as of yet. Just .....a few whispers

Zelda_fan
06-22-05, 12:51 PM
further evidence towards my suspicions that nVidia has a 32 pipe 7800 in the works.

Ninjaman09
06-22-05, 12:59 PM
I believe nVidia has already stated that the "GTX" moniker is meant to replace "Ultra", and that the line will be 7800, 7800 GT, and 7800 GTX. I don't remember where I read that exactly but it seems to make sense (espcially since the GTX debuts at the $600). :confused:

MUYA
06-22-05, 01:02 PM
Who says it's gonan be an 7800 ULTRA?

:)

this is all speculation

tobywong
06-22-05, 01:40 PM
err I think you are missing the point there and indications are that hmmm, the thread starter could be onto something but I cannot get concrete "rumour" as of yet. Just .....a few whispers

errr he is simply inferring that this is an indication there are more variants to come. You don't say!

In this industry the only time there isn't an impending refresh/variant just about to land is when there is a new GPU coming out. Unless you believe G80 is coming out very shortly then that leaves you one conclusion.

Richteralan
06-22-05, 01:42 PM
errr he is simply inferring that this is an indication there are more variants to come. You don't say!

In this industry the only time there isn't an impending refresh/variant just about to land is when there is a new GPU coming out. Unless you believe G80 is coming out very shortly then that leaves you one conclusion.

hm.....
can i say you are actually missing something?? ;)

Richteralan
06-22-05, 01:43 PM
Who says it's gonan be an 7800 ULTRA?

:)

this is all speculation

there'll be a 7800 Golden Sample 69 :)

MUYA
06-22-05, 01:43 PM
err you misread my post. i suggest you take step back and let this thread run its course.

killahsin
06-22-05, 01:43 PM
I am almost positive the original poster is 100% correct.

EDIT: I would be willing to bet there will be two higher clocked varients of the 7800gtx. Somewhat like the gt/ultra of the 6800 days. Then most likely they will go down to .90 for their lower clocked massmarket cards.

Ninjaman09
06-22-05, 01:43 PM
Hey, guess what fellas, turns out I was right:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7800_faq.html


Q: Is there a GeForce 7800 Ultra?
GeForce 7800 GTX is our top of the line. We had so much positive response for the GT SKU (single slot, great performance) that we wanted to build upon that success and brand. GeForce 7800 GTX takes NVIDIA's high end performance offering to the next level.

Guess that settles it. Also major points to nVidia for addressing power consumption and cooling issues for the high-end card, that's awesome. :D

Richteralan
06-22-05, 01:45 PM
Hey, guess what fellas, turns out I was right:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7800_faq.html


Guess that settles it.

Then I really wonder what's DEV_0090.1
;)

MUYA
06-22-05, 01:46 PM
who said it was gonna be a 7800 Ultra? :p anyway the fact is there are some rumours going roun...just rumours...

killahsin
06-22-05, 01:47 PM
Hey, guess what fellas, turns out I was right:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7800_faq.html


Guess that settles it.


Sorry but even though they say that. I just don't buy it. That would be a very wierd release indeed. Releasing the ultra before the baseline card. a smart businessman would release the initial baseline cards for the extreme prices to make a good bottomline. then release the higherclocked cards for the same pricing heh. Kinda like what ati/nv do every release.

superklye
06-22-05, 01:47 PM
I believe nVidia has already stated that the "GTX" moniker is meant to replace "Ultra", and that the line will be 7800, 7800 GT, and 7800 GTX. I don't remember where I read that exactly but it seems to make sense (espcially since the GTX debuts at the $600). :confused:
I remember that also...I still don't like the GT/GTX scheme though. What the hell does it mean? Ultra, sure...that makes sense because Ultra = powerful.

GT...isn't that used on sports cars and stuff? So this is the sporty model? And the GTX is the extreme sporty model? Or does that signify it's the European model or what?

And God help us all if the GTX is the lowend card and it costs $600...

Richteralan
06-22-05, 01:51 PM
I can further my evidence by this:

NVIDIA_NV43.DEV_0140.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT"
NVIDIA_NV43.DEV_0141.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6600"
NVIDIA_NV43.DEV_0142.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6600 LE"
NVIDIA_NV43.DEV_0145.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6610 XL"

see the device id trend/pattern? ;)

I'm not sure this pattern is gone in G70 series, but it's highly possible that it's still the same pattern. ;)

killahsin
06-22-05, 01:52 PM
I don't think its gone, afterall there was a specific reasoning behind the name change to g70.

Ninjaman09
06-22-05, 01:53 PM
Sorry but even though they say that. I just don't buy it. That would be a very wierd release indeed. Releasing the ultra before the baseline card.
What the are you talking about? nVidia has ALWAYS released it's top-end card first, ever since the GeForce 2! It's standard that the high-end comes out first for enthusiasts. I can't think of a single time this has not been the case. The GeForce 2 GTS was the first nVidia card I ever bought and I clearly remember it being the first model released, the GeForce 4 Ti4600 was the first Geforce 4 card available, the FX5800 was the first FX available, and the 6800 Ultra was the first 6800 available.

Whatever. You guys can put on your tin-foil hats and speculate all you want, I'm not going to listen to this garbage.

Richteralan
06-22-05, 01:56 PM
What the are you talking about? nVidia has ALWAYS released it's top-end card first, ever since the GeForce 2! It's standard that the high-end comes out first for enthusiasts. I can't think of a single time this has not been the case. The GeForce 2 GTS was the first nVidia card I ever bought and I clearly remember it being the first model released, the GeForce 4 Ti4600 was the first Geforce 4 card available, the FX5800 was the first FX available, and the 6800 Ultra was the first 6800 available.

Whatever. You guys can put on your tin-foil hats and speculate all you want, I'm not going to listen to this garbage.

Let's see the Geforce 2 GTS device id:

NVIDIA_NV15.DEV_0150.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro"
NVIDIA_NV15.DEV_0151.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce2 Ti"
NVIDIA_NV15.DEV_0152.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce2 Ultra"
NVIDIA_NV15.DEV_0153.1 = "NVIDIA Quadro2 Pro"

See?
It's DEV_0150.1

Ninjaman09
06-22-05, 01:59 PM
Yeah, I think this should definitely be in the "rumors" section. This could really mislead a lot of people.

Richteralan
06-22-05, 02:05 PM
What I'm trying to say is

Every NVIDIA High-end product's Ultra Version, And the product NVIDIA announced first, their device IDs always ends with a "0"
starting from the very first Geforce:

NVIDIA_NV10.DEV_0100.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 256"
NVIDIA_NV15.DEV_0150.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro"
NVIDIA_NV20.DEV_0200.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce3"
NVIDIA_NV25.DEV_0250.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600"
NVIDIA_NV28.DEV_0280.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800"
NVIDIA_NV30.DEV_0301.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra"
NVIDIA_NV35.DEV_0330.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 Ultra"
NVIDIA_NV40.DEV_0040.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra"

The only exception is the FX 5800 Ultra.
It maybe well a speculation.

But who knows....;)

boro
06-22-05, 02:09 PM
I'm also a strong believer for a counter card for the R520, supposing that the R520 will outperform the GTX. Whether that will be a 7800 Ultra or 7900 remains to be seen.

In case ATI doesn't manage to bring out a better card, we'll probably have to wait for the geforce 8 for nVidia's next flagship.