Shares your ideas about how will be 7800U, 7800 and 7600&U&GT

[junkbond-jones]

didn't vr-zone say the 7800GT was being launched "this week". that ends tommorow, still no signs of it. hmmmmmmm

[angshuman]

Disclaimer: This post is pretty pointless, and is just a collection of my random thoughts. Please feel free to flame me, I'd be happy to be proved wrong :-)

They named it a GTX, and yet claim that its their "flagship". Obviously, the intent is to purposely keep things ambiguous. It's not a GT, and it's not an Ultra. Only one thing is clear -- The GTX is NOT a top-bin part. They priced it as an Ultra to begin with, but within a matter of couple of weeks, we see prices plunging. At the same time, I read an NV guy's quote from a previous post saying "we liked the response of the single-slot, low-power GT, and therefore decided to continue the tradition blah blah bs bs bs..." ... nope, no way the GTX is a top bin product.

I just ordered a 7800GTX, but I honestly believe it was overpriced. Face it, the performance increase from the previous generation was *not* staggering at all. The $599 price was a lame attempt to mislead the market and competitors into believing that the GTX was the next-gen Ultra. Prices will probably stabilize around the $500 range within a month or so.

The bottomline? I don't know... this entire 7 generation seems to be a gap-filler. We all know that this so-called G70 is basically NV47, which was initially supposed to be a souped up 6-series... probably a 6800 super-duper-mega-omega-theta-phi-ultra, whose sole purpose in life was to trump the X850-XT-PE-AB-CD-HK-47-BS. When NV saw great yields and wonderful performance (considering that this was nothing but a tweak job), they probably decided to rename this as G70 (and the *real* G70 in the works as what, NV50? G80?)

So... why am I annoyed? After all, we are getting better performance... so why am I p***ed off? 3 reasons:
- Trying to market the same technology as a new "generation" that was "designed from the ground up" irritates me.
- Trying to sell a non-top-bin class product by marketing it as a top-bin ("Ultra") product, and pricing it as one, in order to throw the competition off track and to milk all extra dollars possible off the most enthusiastic gamers before the prices settle, makes me very very angry at NVIDIA.
- I could never afford a vid card this expensive in the past, and I will never be able to afford one in the future. This was the only time I could spend so much money irresponsibly, and I see myself caught in an NVIDIA scam.

That's the end of my rant :) ... Flame away (if you even cared to read thru the thing)!

[retsam]

oh boy im gonna leave this one alone.... im just being to lazy to respond....

[MUYA]

For the guy above retsam;

http://techreport.com/etc/2005q3/hires-gaming/index.x?pg=1

The single GTX does well over the 6800U and oh there are the SLI setup.

[InqWoN1776]

- Trying to market the same technology as a new "generation" that was "designed from the ground up" irritates me.

Designed from ground up is basically opinionated but hey angs how did the x800xt pe to x850xt pe refresh make you feel towards ATI? or the r300 to r420?

[angshuman]

Yeah... maybe you're right. But then again, the X800 to X850 wasn't really touted as a full generation change. The R300 to R420 was probably more on the lines of what the NV 6 to 7 is... Marketing rubbish aside, I guess I was expecting an NV30 to NV40 kind of performance leap, and that was what was slightly disappointing.

Whatever... I guess the performance I'm getting for my money *today* is good enough, as it always has been in this business (except when NV30 was around), so I really have no reason to complain :)

[msxyz]

Marketing rubbish aside, I guess I was expecting an NV30 to NV40 kind of performance leap, and that was what was slightly disappointing.A lot of people expected such a big jump. But it's unlikely to happen again. The ill-fated NV3x architecture had many shortcomings, especially in the shader area so the switch to the NV40 architecture seemed even more huge.

If we turn back to see the performance increase from GeForce2 to GeForce3 or from GeForce3 to GeForce4, it was not so dramatic.

If there is anything to be disappointed from the G70 is the lack of an AA implementation which is orthogonal to HDR and NVidia does not seem to consider this feature worth the trouble (see the recent interview with D. Kirk about the G70/RSX).

[angshuman]

That seems to be the latest topic of discussion at a lot of places :) ... From what I've read so far, it seems Kirk is throwing about a lot of arguments, but it seems the basic fact is that FP16 + AA would require tremendous amount of bandwidth that today's cards are completely incapable of. That said, a lot of people also seem to believe that R520 is implementing some form of FP10 + AA.

[rohit]

FP10 + AA?
How, any links etc.

[angshuman]

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24361
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24804

All pure speculation, of course.